AP Strange: 00:22

Pardon me while I have a strange interlude. There is nothing else. Life is an obscure oboe, plumbing a ride on the omnibus of art. In the misty corridors of time, and in those corridors, I see figures. Strange figures.

AP Strange: 01:04

Welcome back, my friends, to the AP's range show. The show today is brought to you by the dark shadowy entity who is currently lurking behind your left shoulder. Don't turn to look at the shadowy entity lurking behind your left shoulder because it will just disappear into the shadows and vaporize into the walls. Just know that the dark shadowy entity lurking behind your left shoulder right now is partly responsible for your enjoyment of this show. So moving forward, on today's show, we have, we have a fun guest.

AP Strange: 01:44

I have become acquainted with her through Discords and stuff like that. We've crossed paths and the ethereal interwebs, and, she's a very interesting person, has some great stories, and she is a magic practitioner, a sometimes actress, and a small business owner. And as I already alluded to, kind of an experience or a weird phenomena, and I am happy to have her on the show. And her name is Lindsay Sokol. Welcome to the show, Lindsay.

Lindsey Sokol: 02:17

Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. It's an honor, AP.

AP Strange: 02:23

Well, I'm happy to have you. We we were talking privately, and you had said that you could terrorize my listeners with some of your stories. But as I understand it, we've got some fun stories from you today.

Lindsey Sokol: 02:35

I am gonna

AP Strange: 02:36

try more lighthearted.

Lindsey Sokol: 02:38

Yeah. Yeah. It's the holidays. Right? Keep things a little kinder and gentler.

AP Strange: 02:43

Yeah. But before we get to those, I had said, sometimes, actress, do you act much, or is this just kind of a, I know you've been in a couple different projects for acting.

Lindsey Sokol: 02:55

Yeah. So, honestly, I really don't act much. It's just sort of a random thing when something falls in my lap, for a friend or, I used to I used to do all the school plays, though, of course. So there's my background.

AP Strange: 03:12

Yeah.

Lindsey Sokol: 03:14

But I've been in, I think this is probably, I think, my 4th movie I've had a part in. Okay. So, generally, it's the horror genre, horror or sci fi. We have a really nice local scene, where I live. We have several people that have made all kinds of movies, you know, from weird shadow creatures to zombies, you know, to everything.

Lindsey Sokol: 03:42

But this latest one, was actually a friend of mine from Ireland who, asked me to do a remote, video to, place into his movie.

AP Strange: 03:53

Yeah. I mean, that's that's pretty wild. I was curious about the logistics of that because this is a this is a short film called the monochrome menace. Right? And, yeah, and and you and you have a role in it.

AP Strange: 04:06

So you recorded that yourself, and it was kind of edited in and everything with the with the film.

Lindsey Sokol: 04:11

Yeah. So what was neat about this movie is that because, so first of all, it's an homage to old b movies, old sci fi b movies. And because most of it takes place on the TV screen of the characters, you know, because they're they're they're watching a movie in in this movie, we were able to get away with having people film their own parts on location because it's going through, like, the filter of the TV screen. So it we could have a reason for why things look different. So that's how we were able to do this because, all the parts in the one section where people are showing, their reactions from around the world.

Lindsey Sokol: 04:54

Everyone except for the Spanish woman was filmed on location in that country.

AP Strange: 05:00

Okay. Yeah.

Lindsey Sokol: 05:01

Yeah. So for mine, I my husband took the kid out for one day. I had one day I could get away with doing this because my schedule is crazy. So I had to, construct the entire set, get my costume, my makeup, do all the stuff myself, get my camera set up, get the lights set up. I had, I had to buy some, like, lights, you know, like, for film and stuff.

Lindsey Sokol: 05:27

And, I I video I memorized everything that day, did a bunch of takes, and, and sent it over to Emmett. And, honestly, one of one of the things that, Emmett keeps, wanting me to tell people is, like, we had so much footage we couldn't use because of the time constraints, you know, so I can qualify for these film festivals. And he's hoping to actually do something in the future with, my character. So

AP Strange: 05:55

Oh, that's awesome.

Lindsey Sokol: 05:56

Yeah. Yeah. We're we're hoping to do something either, like, kind of, like, use her as a host for a film festival or even, like, truly do, like, the horror movie hostess thing and use her to actually, host movies online or or something. You know? We've been kinda throwing the key back and forth.

Lindsey Sokol: 06:14

Yeah.

AP Strange: 06:15

Yeah. Because that is your character. It's kind of the Elvira ish, like, horror movie hostess.

Lindsey Sokol: 06:22

Yeah. Exactly. I I bet I took a lot of inspiration from Cassandra Peterson. So, yeah, for sure. Well, she's awesome.

Lindsey Sokol: 06:31

Yeah.

AP Strange: 06:31

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, she is awesome. So that that's what are you gonna do? Exactly.

AP Strange: 06:38

Yeah. So, and this movie is it's in some Irish film festivals now?

Lindsey Sokol: 06:45

It is. So I think I I wrote down a few things that, it's going it's in. Currently, it's a finalist in the Waterford International Film Festival for best film. And if you go to Waterford Waterford International Film Festival's website, you can purchase a ticket to view this movie and the rest of the movies in its grouping for $8. So, this is your chance to see a bunch of really great movies.

AP Strange: 07:16

Yeah.

Lindsey Sokol: 07:17

It's also, been nominated for best Irish short film at the May 4th Sci Fi Film Festival. It won best horror comedy at the Dreamers Festival in LA and, best indie horror short film and best sci fi short film at the Dublin Indie Screen Festival as well. So it's been doing pretty well for when he's been able to submit it.

AP Strange: 07:38

Oh, that's excellent. And that is good news that people are able to actually view it. Because a lot of times when things are on the festival circuit, it's like you'll hear things, but you're not able to actually watch it. You have to wait. You know?

Lindsey Sokol: 07:50

Yeah. Exactly. And it's been it's been so hard because I wanna show it to everyone. And, you know, up until now, I haven't been able to, and I'm like, guys, guys, you can see it now. Like, go check it out.

Lindsey Sokol: 08:02

It's awesome.

AP Strange: 08:04

Right. Right. Yeah. Well, you know, not to brag or anything, but I got a sneak peek at it, and I thought it was pretty funny. It's, and it's really good.

AP Strange: 08:12

And I love b movies, especially 19 fifties b movies. So it the it was it was speaking my language, that film was.

Lindsey Sokol: 08:21

I had a feeling it would. I I I I I had a feeling. And and I love that he did actual, like, tiny, like, reconstructions of the city and, like, little model, like, spaceships. I think that just made it so much better than doing, like, CGI or something.

AP Strange: 08:38

Right. Right. And parts of it reminded me of, did you ever see The Lost Skeleton of Kadabra?

Lindsey Sokol: 08:45

No. No.

AP Strange: 08:47

Oh, you have to see that movie. Yeah. It's like a feature like Goofy b b movie, homage in kind of the similar style where they're it's intentionally bad, and they're they have all these little jokes and stuff. But yeah. Oh my gosh.

AP Strange: 09:01

It's it's great. There's parts of it that'll just, like, have you on the floor laughing. So that's kinda what it reminded me of. Good to see you.

Lindsey Sokol: 09:09

Oh my gosh. Yeah. I'll have to you have to link me that later. Remind me.

AP Strange: 09:14

Yeah. It's a it's a it's a favorite of mine. I might have to revisit it soon because my family and I just love it. We'll we'll reference parts of it to each other just, little lines from it here and there all the time. So Gosh.

Lindsey Sokol: 09:30

Yeah. If you

AP Strange: 09:30

like if you like mystery science theater and that kind of thing, it's it's kind of on that same level of comedy. So

Lindsey Sokol: 09:36

yeah. Fair. Fair. I I'm sure I will probably enjoy it then. I mean, my cousins and I used to, like, watch The Room on purpose.

Lindsey Sokol: 09:43

So you know?

AP Strange: 09:44

Yeah. Okay. Yes.

Lindsey Sokol: 09:49

Yeah. Oh, and another thing too I wanted to mention about, the cast because, I mean, he was able to pull people from, like, all over the world for this project. And we we he even got, Lisa Foyles, to play Veronica Summers, and she was on, All That on Nickelodeon, and, she played Mallory on Malcolm in the Middle too. So we have some people with real acting chops.

AP Strange: 10:14

Yeah. Oh, that's good. Yeah.

Lindsey Sokol: 10:17

You know?

AP Strange: 10:18

Yeah. I'm trying to think like, I remember liking Malcolm in the Middle a lot. But there was one time where I revisited it after not watching it for years, and I'm like, this is probably fine. And then I was laughing a lot. I'm like, it's actually a pretty funny show.

Lindsey Sokol: 10:33

So Was. Like, you know, I remember I didn't always catch it because, you know, back then, like, you know, there wasn't streaming. But, you know, the episodes I did see, like, were really good. You know? Like, they had that I don't know.

Lindsey Sokol: 10:46

That that was a really good style of comedy, and, like, you can still, like, find memes, like, online that, like, work to this day.

AP Strange: 10:54

Yeah. Yeah. And they had some pretty classic actors that sometimes would be in it, like, from Mel Brooks movies. Like, there was a whole season that had, Kenneth Mars in it. Oh.

AP Strange: 11:05

More season maybe that and he was, like, the the kooky Nazi playwright from the producers.

Lindsey Sokol: 11:11

Oh, okay.

AP Strange: 11:12

Inspector Klumpton, Young Frankenstein, the guy with, like, one eye and the fake wooden arm and everything.

Lindsey Sokol: 11:17

Oh my god. I haven't watched that movie in, like, decades.

AP Strange: 11:21

Yeah. Well, I I'm a Mel Brooks nut, so I I've seen every movie too many times. But I I

Lindsey Sokol: 11:27

I watched them a lot when I was, like, a kid at my grandma's house. So yeah.

AP Strange: 11:31

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Cloris Leachman was on the show often too, and she was in a lot of the old Mel Brooks movies. So it had it had a pedigree with classic comedy.

Lindsey Sokol: 11:42

Definitely.

AP Strange: 11:47

Alright. So, yeah, I'll definitely include that link to the Waterford film festival because $8 is I'll I'll include it in the show notes because $8 is is a hell of a deal to watch all those films. You know? And

Lindsey Sokol: 12:00

Oh, yeah.

AP Strange: 12:01

You get to, like, be a a play judge in your own living room and pick your favorite. You know?

Lindsey Sokol: 12:08

Yeah. Hopefully, our movie. But you know?

AP Strange: 12:11

Yeah. Monochrome Menace. Yeah. I I I it gets the AP Strange stamp of approval, so for the listeners out there.

Lindsey Sokol: 12:20

Thank you so much.

AP Strange: 12:22

You can, treat yourself if you have, days off for the holidays and and whatnot. You can just watch a whole film festival in your in your own house. So yeah.

Lindsey Sokol: 12:33

Oh, yeah. Good with the weather getting colder because I don't wanna leave the house right now.

AP Strange: 12:39

Yeah. I mean, I guess it depends on where you live. What part of the world are you in for the listeners?

Lindsey Sokol: 12:43

Oh, Ohio. So it it's already started snowing for the year. Yeah.

AP Strange: 12:49

Yeah. I've heard that. I mean, we're recording before Thanksgiving. Today's recording date is I record way ahead of time. So but for the listeners, it's the end of November right now, and we in Massachusetts have still yet to get any snow.

AP Strange: 13:04

But I think it's coming, so that'll be good because we haven't had any really in recent years. So

Lindsey Sokol: 13:09

Really?

AP Strange: 13:10

Yeah. Oh. It's been miserable.

Lindsey Sokol: 13:13

Sorry.

AP Strange: 13:16

Not even because I love the snow. I do like snow, but, it's just it it's unnerving because you know that normal means snow. And then when there isn't any, you're like, this isn't normal. Like, 3 years in a row with hardly any snow, that's crazy. You know?

Lindsey Sokol: 13:30

I that that terrifies me because that's, you know,

AP Strange: 13:33

that's

Lindsey Sokol: 13:33

a sign of climate changing, and it's just like, no. No. Why are the patterns switching up on you like that? It's not good.

AP Strange: 13:40

Don't like it. Yeah. So I might have to do some serious weather magic this year to, see see if I can rectify that.

Lindsey Sokol: 13:49

No. I do have funny story about weather magic.

AP Strange: 13:52

Oh, I love weather magic. Alright. I'd love to hear the because you have plenty of experiences and your own magical practices, so that's a good segue.

Lindsey Sokol: 14:01

Oh, yeah.

AP Strange: 14:02

Tell me the weather magic story.

Lindsey Sokol: 14:04

Okay. So I was in junior high, so this is gonna be great already. But, we had had, I wanna say something like 5 snow days. It was something crazy. We had been home from school, and I was on the phone with my friend John, and me and him were just talking.

Lindsey Sokol: 14:26

I think I was, like, binging green tea for some reason, because I I drank so much green tea back then. And we're just on the phone, and I'm like, I do not wanna go to school tomorrow. I I just I just want one more day, like because then I don't know if maybe it was at the end of the week or something, you know, where it's it's like, oh, if we could just get one more day, I'd be happy. You know? And we looked at, like, we looked at the, weather forecast and everything everything set.

Lindsey Sokol: 14:53

It was clear skies. You know? It was, you know, warm up just a little. Like, there'd be no snow at all. Like, we're going back to school tomorrow without bail.

Lindsey Sokol: 15:04

I told John. I was like, dude, let's do a spell. Yes. So I get my phone. He's on his phone.

Lindsey Sokol: 15:14

Like, I can't remember if it was the house phone or if I had, like, my little baby cell phone yet because, like, oh, I had this god awful analog cell phone that played the snake game. And this is before Nokios too. This is how old this thing was. It was like a brick. But we so we're on the phone, and, like, he he was my friend that got me into, like, more of, like, the kinda pagan style of magic.

Lindsey Sokol: 15:37

Because before that, it was more like tarot astrology and all that jazz. So so, yeah, just to clarify. So we're both on the phone. I'm like, look. Here well, here's the skull we're gonna do.

Lindsey Sokol: 15:48

Like, we we kinda wrote it out together. And I'm like, what we'll do is we'll set our phones down at the same time so that we're synchronized. You know, cast our circles, do the spell, pick up the phone as soon as you're done saying everything. Okay? So that's what we did.

Lindsey Sokol: 16:04

Set the phone set the phones down, did our circles, did did the spell, put them back up, and we're like, okay. You done? Yeah. You done? Alright.

Lindsey Sokol: 16:12

It's like, alright. Let's see what happens tomorrow. And you know what happened. We got our snow day.

AP Strange: 16:19

Oh, yeah. Yep. And I mean, I that's the thing is I I don't know if people realize outside of magic, but, like, weather magic and and weather spells are kind of universal. I feel like in every every form of magic, weather is part of it and and being able to control the weather on some level. And, yeah.

AP Strange: 16:41

So and I mean, I think everybody that practices has had some some proximity to it or seen it work before, you know, even if they haven't done it themselves. So, and they yeah. It's amazing. Right? Like, that's an amazing feeling.

Lindsey Sokol: 16:57

Anytime you have a successful spell, it's an amazing feeling for sure. Yeah. Right. Yeah. But, like But with

AP Strange: 17:02

the weather, the weather just seems like something that's so powerful that you, like, couldn't. You know? So

Lindsey Sokol: 17:08

Yeah. It it it's something where in one hand, it's something where it's like, this is so big. It's bigger than us. How am I possibly tapping into it? But on the other hand, it's like it's almost natural to tap into something that, like, primal and elemental, and, like, you just kinda feel it in your veins.

AP Strange: 17:31

Yeah.

Lindsey Sokol: 17:32

You know? And I think it's hard to explain, but it's like you it's like when you feel really connected, to the earth when you're grounding. It's like you you just you're truly connected within a way that's different than when you're doing magic that's meant to manipulate probability and chances. Like, it's a whole different feeling, and then there's something, I think, almost, comforting about it.

AP Strange: 18:00

Yeah. I think so too. I mean, especially I don't know. I think you can feel the difference too when it's gonna work and when it's not gonna. And it's it's a delicate thing.

AP Strange: 18:10

It's really delicate. Like, you don't wanna look at it directly and say this is alright. I'm gonna put money on this. You know? No.

AP Strange: 18:18

They'll definitely work. Then it won't. Yeah. So, yeah, when you, when you know when you've done something and you know, you you kinda feel it. And if I if I've done weather magic, I try not to do it too much.

AP Strange: 18:32

But if I've done it, I will mention what what what the outcome is gonna be briefly, and I won't press it. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna, like, linger on it too much. I'm not gonna worry about it. I and and then, usually, it comes to pass if that's what I do. But, usually, it's it's something like keeping the rain away long enough for us to do something outside.

Lindsey Sokol: 18:56

Yeah.

AP Strange: 18:57

Just barely long enough. You know? So

Lindsey Sokol: 19:00

It's like something was listening to you. I was like, alright. Alright. We'll let this guy have his nice day. Okay.

AP Strange: 19:05

Yeah. I mean, I and it could be uncanny. Like, the there was a town wide yard sale, and my wife and mother-in-law really wanted to go, and it was supposed to rain. Everybody said it was gonna rain. And on the weather map, you could see, like, clouds all around the town that we were heading for.

AP Strange: 19:20

And, you know, I said I did my thing, and I'm like, we're good until 2 PM. You know?

Lindsey Sokol: 19:25

Yeah. And

AP Strange: 19:26

we we finished up what we were doing. We went and got lunch, and we're leaving the restaurant. And I see that it's like it's like 1, 45. I'm like, whoop. It's almost time for the rain.

AP Strange: 19:37

And we're driving away, and here comes, like, little raindrops and spitting and stuff. It was just kinda, like, uncanny, like, how how on on point that was. It didn't start up again until right at 2, you know. So

Lindsey Sokol: 19:52

Oh, no. The fact that you had it, like, timed perfection like that, that's that's fantastic. I love it.

AP Strange: 20:02

I I worry sometimes about talking too much about being accurate because then I'm like, oh, no. What if that that makes it so I'm not next time? You know?

Lindsey Sokol: 20:12

Yes. Yeah. I I I know what you mean. Like, there's this fear that and I've I've I've had this since I was, you know, younger too. It's a fear that the more you talk about it, like, the less it'll work.

Lindsey Sokol: 20:28

And I don't know where that comes from, but I feel like it gets ingrained in us either from other, practitioners or for maybe, like, some of those older nineties level era books. You know what I mean? Like, which didn't always have the best information in them because they just got printed. Like, they're just going out there without any fact checking or anything and just make a bunch of people's, like, BS opinions half the time. But yeah.

Lindsey Sokol: 20:56

And and, you know, there's also, like, the whole thing about liquid magicians. Like, you're supposed to be secret. It's a cult knowledge. You're not supposed to be out in the open with it. But at the same time, it's like part of me is like, wait a minute.

Lindsey Sokol: 21:11

I've been doing this for how many years? I've talked about a lot of these things, and I'm still having successful spells. So, you know, while I do believe in maybe a a little bit of caution with who you're talking to just because, you know, there's no sense in talking to someone that's just gonna rain on your parade the whole time and be, like, the kind of the not cool kind of skeptic, It's like, I think you'll be okay. Like, I think your

AP Strange: 21:42

marriage is

Lindsey Sokol: 21:43

still gonna work. You can talk about it. It's okay. Yeah. It's like being Well, I've

AP Strange: 21:47

always had I think for me, it just comes from personal experience where, like, if I try to do anything performatively, it's kinda fail. You know? Like

Lindsey Sokol: 21:56

Well, yeah, because you're not being sincere. You know?

AP Strange: 21:59

Yeah. And I I think that's that's a big part of it that I've had to learn through trial and error over the years. I believe you're right about that. So

Lindsey Sokol: 22:07

I mean, like well, you have to get into first of all, like, what are the mechanisms behind why a spell is working? And people from different paths have different ideas. Like, some people think it's all based on your own, like, psychic and magical abilities. Some people, it's all about the spirits that you're asking and connecting to. You know?

Lindsey Sokol: 22:26

I have more of a hybrid approach to, like, what's going on depending on the situation. But I think that particularly, when you're working with spirits, we'll say, you know, you do need that kind of sincerity. But, also, like, when you're putting on a performance, you are not getting your mind. You're not getting into the right headspace that's actually going to connect with these entities. And so if there's no connection, they're not hearing you.

Lindsey Sokol: 22:56

So nothing's gonna happen. You know?

AP Strange: 22:59

Right.

Lindsey Sokol: 23:00

And it's kind of almost a similar thing when it comes to stuff that's coming from your own abilities. Like, you know, sure, you want all this to happen, but if you can't, you know, let yourself get into that headspace, that brainwave, whatever it is, you know, you're not gonna actually be affecting reality. You're just going to be chanting some words and performing. And you know?

AP Strange: 23:29

So Yeah. You have to be present for it, and it has to be genuine, I think, is is kinda what you're gonna get to. Right?

Lindsey Sokol: 23:36

That that's that's a fair summary. I think there's a little more nuance too. But, yeah, that's that's an easy way of summarizing it for people.

AP Strange: 23:43

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, well, I just mean because there is there is a performance aspect. You know? Like, there is kind of a bit of theater to it, and that that that that, that plays into it.

AP Strange: 23:54

I don't know. I guess you're right. There are a lot of divergent opinions too. I think I know the kinds of books you were talking about as well with, like, I was dabbling in Wicca and various forms of paganism in the nineties, and I remember all those books and the new age stores and stuff.

Lindsey Sokol: 24:11

Oh, yeah. I mean, there there's stuff that, like, straight up has incorrect stuff about various, like, deities or myths. Like, stuff that you could go on Wikipedia now and, like, find better information. So

AP Strange: 24:26

Yeah. But you couldn't back then. So No.

Lindsey Sokol: 24:28

You couldn't. So you couldn't back check. You just believed everything and we're like, sure. Sure. That that that's true.

Lindsey Sokol: 24:36

Unless, of course, you know, you're some nerd that had, like, a bunch of mythology books from, like, in 20 sometimes.

AP Strange: 24:44

Yeah. I mean, I kinda was that nerd. Like, I I read both inches mythology for fun in high school and stuff like that.

Lindsey Sokol: 24:52

So Fantastic. I'm sure you and my husband would get along very well.

AP Strange: 24:57

Oh, yeah. I was also reading, like, epic poetry. I loved that, like, the Iliad and and and, Dante's Inferno, and that was kinda like the books I was looking for as a as a teenager. So

Lindsey Sokol: 25:12

I, I have I have the Dante's Inferno version where it's, like, Italian and English. So you see the it on, you know, one on one page, one on the other. And, like, I was challenging myself to read in the Italian because I was, an Italian class at the time.

AP Strange: 25:27

Oh, yeah. I mean, that's not a bad way to learn language. Like, I found that and I'm I'm sure you've noticed this as well. A lot of the best magic texts are in French, and not all of them are translated. So, like, sometimes I've kind of tried to teach myself French by reading old French grimoires and stuff.

Lindsey Sokol: 25:45

Oh my gosh. Well, you know what? That'll definitely teach you because if you get it wrong, it could be very interesting.

AP Strange: 25:54

Well, I'm not reading them out loud. So Okay. Okay.

Lindsey Sokol: 25:58

Well, it's a little safer then, I guess.

AP Strange: 26:01

Yeah. I mean, I don't think I could handle French pronunciation anyway. Like, a little bit here and there maybe, but it would take a lot of practice for me to get that right.

Lindsey Sokol: 26:12

Yeah. French was not one of my stronger languages. I think I might be able to, like, say, like, and I'm I'm good. There we go.

AP Strange: 26:21

Right. Yeah. Yep. But yeah. So as far as as far as the magic stuff goes, did you start with astrology?

AP Strange: 26:33

Was that the like, kinda your your your entree to the magical occult world, or or was it was it something else?

Lindsey Sokol: 26:43

So even though this isn't technically magic, I I think I have to at least mention my first ever, like, paranormal encounter because I think that's really what pushed me to be open to magic and everything in in this world. And that was I'll be really brief. But, when I was it it had to have been between 12, you know, old enough to stand but couldn't really verbalize more than my mom, you know, or, mama. But, I I had a shadow person encounter, and and and don't get me wrong. I know people will be like, what?

Lindsey Sokol: 27:19

You remember that? I'm like, I have very mundane memories from that age as well that I can tell you about. I can tell you my my mom doing laundry. So it's it's not, weird for me to have memories that young. But I saw I saw a shadow person in my, in my bedroom, and that night and I remember, you know, the door was cracked open, so the light from the hallway was cutting across the room to the other side, and that separated me from the shadow person.

Lindsey Sokol: 27:44

And, like, I feel like that is the only reason why this thing couldn't come closer. Like, it was stopped. Like, it was reaching towards me, and it was stopped by where that light was. You know? And, that kinda set the tone for the rest of my life.

Lindsey Sokol: 27:59

So it got me interested, you know, in this sort of thing because, you know, I had other things too, like weird dreams and stuff, you know, as I was growing up. And then my aunt, who, who is a retired yoga teacher, she's the one that got me into the astrology stuff, because she was also, she was also a Buddhist at the time as well. And so she was very into astrology and how it, you know, played into that. And so I would get, like, these little cute astrology books on Libras from her and, you know, things like that. And she would teach me, you know, concepts like meditation.

Lindsey Sokol: 28:39

And, like, I remember I, I sat there, you know, this one day. I had a sore throat, and I just remember, you know, after talking with my aunt, I was like, you know what? I'm gonna try and meditate this sore throat away. And I'm just sitting there in my grandma's kitchen and thinking about it. And it's just, like, like, 5, 10 minutes later, like, my sore throat's totally gone.

Lindsey Sokol: 29:01

You know? And just, like, weird little stuff like that. Then around, around middle school, that's when I got my first tarot deck. Already had the Ouija board before that. So, you know, your typical kind of stuff.

Lindsey Sokol: 29:13

And then, 7th grade, that's when I met John, and then John was, like, John was super into, like, neopaganism. So he's the one that got me into, like, more of that. I don't don't cringe at me here, but, like, you know, like, Celtic magic. So which and Celtic magic is just, like, a horrible term because there's no Celtic pantheon. It's it's on it's actually, like, a bunch of different, groups of deities depending on the region and the country, but, you know, it was the nineties.

Lindsey Sokol: 29:44

So they're like, Celtic magic, and they'd Yeah. Smash these deities together that don't belong and, you know, and and that's just the general, like, neopagan, eclectic Wicca kind of crap and, you know, and

AP Strange: 29:59

Right.

Lindsey Sokol: 30:00

Yeah. And went on from there.

AP Strange: 30:02

Did you have that book of, like, the lessons of Merlin or something like that?

Lindsey Sokol: 30:07

Oh, gosh. No.

AP Strange: 30:08

Yeah. There was one from Llewellyn the one from Llewellyn that came out in the early nineties that was was like Merlin magic. You know? It was all supposed to be Celtic stuff and yeah.

Lindsey Sokol: 30:20

There was always, like, Arthurian magic. There was always those books on that coming out too, I remember. Yeah. Right.

AP Strange: 30:27

The Arthur Arthurian tarot. I've seen that before. Yeah.

Lindsey Sokol: 30:30

Yeah. No. And I I had the classic Celtic magic by DJ Conway, so it was that one.

AP Strange: 30:36

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I I remember seeing that. I don't think I ever had that one. For for me, it was like, The Solitary Practitioner book by Scott cunning Cunningham.

AP Strange: 30:46

I had that.

Lindsey Sokol: 30:47

Well, see, at least you got, like, a decent more of decent start. You know?

AP Strange: 30:52

Yeah. I had the the Buckland book. Yeah. And

Lindsey Sokol: 30:55

Oh, yeah. The big blue bible. Yeah.

AP Strange: 30:57

Yep. And I had the, I had some Starhawk. Mhmm. Yeah. The ones I picked generally were okay.

Lindsey Sokol: 31:07

Yeah. I mean, I still use, Cunningham's Encyclopedia of Herbs and his one on, rocks, gemstones, and minerals too. Like, those, I think, are really solid books.

AP Strange: 31:15

Yeah. He's he was he was good, and he was open to a lot of different things. Yeah. I don't think he's still with us. Did he pass away?

AP Strange: 31:22

Or

Lindsey Sokol: 31:23

I I would say he must have. I I'm pretty sure. Like, I'm so sorry if you're still alive, but, like, at this point, I just assume most of them have passed away. Like, I think, like, one of the is is Oberon Zell still alive?

AP Strange: 31:37

I I I actually don't know. Yeah. That's the thing because you don't, like, keep up with the people really. They just had that the landmark book, and they may have continued writing afterward, but you don't, you know, you don't know about it. So I I just feel like I saw an obituary for Cunningham at some point, but maybe I'm wrong.

Lindsey Sokol: 31:54

Yeah. It's it's it's hard to say. I mean, like, one of the few people and this was a little bit later that you know? But, of course, he's younger too. Jason Miller, I got his books pretty early on, and, of course, he's Gen x.

Lindsey Sokol: 32:08

You know? So he's not he's not that old. But, yeah, most of them were at least boomer or older. So, like

AP Strange: 32:17

Right. Yeah. Yep. Yep. But, the other comment I was gonna make is I feel a little bad about today's sponsor now, but I've heard you're kind of origin still.

Lindsey Sokol: 32:29

Well, you know, as I as I told my kids, shadow people are stranger danger. So if they ask you to go somewhere, you don't follow them.

AP Strange: 32:38

What okay. So was this a, I mean, it seems like kind of an in almost an initiatory event for you as a as a little tiny tyke. And I had something similar. It was the opposite of shadow people. It was kind of a pair of luminous balls at the end of my bed that were talking to me, and I was kind of around that same age.

Lindsey Sokol: 32:56

Oh, really? He's calm.

AP Strange: 32:58

Yeah. Oh, I've told this story so many times. I mean, the the basic in and out of it is that, they just kinda wafted into the room. I was on a bunk bed, top bunk. My brother was on the bottom bunk.

AP Strange: 33:13

It was always hard for me to figure out exactly how old I was because, my brother is 2 years younger than me. So if if if he had if I had been 3, he only would have been 1. I would have think thought that he would still be in a crib, but he he ended up being moved to a bed early, I guess, because he wouldn't wouldn't stand for the crib after a while. But, at any rate, these 2 it appeared to me to be 2 luminous entities. I I don't really know how to describe them, amorphous blobs of light.

AP Strange: 33:44

And we're not even sure if it was one entity or 2, like, one entity that looked like 2 entities. I don't know. But Mhmm.

Lindsey Sokol: 33:51

She

AP Strange: 33:51

basically asked me a bunch of basic questions, like, what my what is your name? Like, where are you? Who are you? Where why are you? Like, it was the same question basically over and over again, but phrased differently.

AP Strange: 34:03

And I just kept patiently answering them. I gave them, like, my full first, middle, and last name, which if those were fairies, that was probably a bad idea.

Lindsey Sokol: 34:14

Maybe that's why you go by AP now.

AP Strange: 34:16

Yeah. Right. Got a new name. And, actually, I have a history of adopting fake names for things that I'm doing. So maybe that I never really considered that before.

AP Strange: 34:25

But

Lindsey Sokol: 34:26

Interesting. Now I can show you your birth chart, but, anyways

AP Strange: 34:30

Oh, yeah. I'd be open to that. The the, yeah, it was kind of a weird thing where they were and I wasn't afraid at all. It felt like a playful thing to me. And and then, before I got a chance to ask them anything, they just went out toward the window.

AP Strange: 34:47

And it it would the thing that made them leave was when they kept pressing me about where we were, I said, this is my room. Like, you're in my room. You know? Uh-huh. And that that seemed to make them think like, oh, well, you know?

AP Strange: 35:00

Well, we're not wanted here, I guess. You know? So, like, they didn't say anything. They just moved away. And I was really sad.

AP Strange: 35:06

Like, I had this intense, like, sadness and feeling of unfairness. I'm like, wait. Come back. Like, I thought we were playing. Don't I get to ask a question?

AP Strange: 35:15

And then as I reached out after them, my point of view turned around so that I could see myself from outside of my body with with my arms out. And then I saw my own body fall back onto the pillow, and I got stuck backwards out the window And then basically saw had a glimpse of future events, that are ridiculously mundane. I just basically saw a birthday party happening at a McDonald's in the center of the town I grew up in. And, there was no McDonald's in the center of my town until, like, I think 4 years later, they built 1. And my mom had a birthday party for me there with the ball pit and everything and all my friends.

AP Strange: 35:55

So Yeah. So, I mean, that was kind of my initiation with it is that that that my that my inciting, event when I was really little that kinda made me think there's a little bit more going on to reality than than people say.

Lindsey Sokol: 36:12

That would do it. Yeah. Did you, do you remember what color the light was?

AP Strange: 36:17

It was white.

Lindsey Sokol: 36:18

It's just white?

AP Strange: 36:19

Just white. Yeah. I mean, to me, it was like a plasma ball sort of, but not really with the the purplish blue hues in it. Just just white. You know?

Lindsey Sokol: 36:28

Yeah. Because, I mean, I I know, I think you've you've heard my story about, like, the fae fae angel, whatever they were, ones where one was red and one was green. So that's that's something I asked. But, like, do you think that maybe you were out of your body during that whole conversation, or do you think you were just sucked out at that moment when you're trying to go after them?

AP Strange: 36:55

My perception is that I was sucked out at that moment. You know? Okay. But Okay. My perception immediately following, I'm sure I was told.

AP Strange: 37:03

I don't really remember too much around it. I don't remember telling my folks or anything like that, but I imagine if I did tell any adults, they told me it was all a dream. Right. And I think I think for a time in, in my childhood, I had considered it that way, until they built the McDonald's. That's the thing that made made me change my mind.

Lindsey Sokol: 37:27

Yeah. That would do it. I mean, it's like, how else could you have known that McDonald's was coming there and that there would be a birthday party there? You know?

AP Strange: 37:34

Right. Yeah. I mean, it was a very a very precise like, the image that I had wasn't verbatim what happened. You know? Like, some of it was just symbolic.

AP Strange: 37:44

Like, I I had a Yeah. Yeah. A picture of balloons. I had a picture of a birthday cake, and I and, like, the McDonald's and exactly where it was in town, in the plaza that they built it in. You know?

AP Strange: 37:55

Yeah. But, I mean, it's not like I saw it's not like I saw direct images from that day when we had the party. You know? So

Lindsey Sokol: 38:05

And and that's completely normal because, like, as someone who's had a lot of spirit communication, it's like sometimes you just get varying degrees of how symbolic it is versus how precise it is. And, I mean, it it can really run the whole spectrum from something that's like you have to struggle to figure out what they're saying versus something that's just, like, very much, yeah. Here it is exactly. You know? So it's Yeah.

AP Strange: 38:32

And it's like dream interpretation. Right? I mean Well, yeah. A lot of peep a lot of people have prophetic dreams, and, dream dream logic is is similar to surrealism and how puns operate. Puns are a helpful way to think of it.

AP Strange: 38:47

And, and and, you know, double entendre. So sometimes a symbol in your dream makes no sense, and then something happens in your real life and you realize what that symbol was supposed to represent. Right?

Lindsey Sokol: 39:01

Yeah. And sometimes it can also mean 2 things at once as well. Like and and both are things that are important for you to know, you know, from that message. But it's like one thing can represent multiple different things in the dream because of that one symbol. And it's like a whole job just trying to interpret dreams and spirit messages.

Lindsey Sokol: 39:25

It's like a whole field of study.

AP Strange: 39:28

It is. And I think I think there's a very real danger if you're not properly equipped or if you're in a very emotionally charged time of getting too hung up on it. Mhmm.

Lindsey Sokol: 39:41

I

AP Strange: 39:41

don't know if you've experienced this personally or have seen people go through it. I imagine you've at least seen people go through it. It can be really tough to watch. Yeah.

Lindsey Sokol: 39:48

I've seen well, I've seen people go through this with not just, like, dream messages or spirit communication, but, like, with tarot readings and other things like that too where people get so hung up on it and or astrology. You know? It's just people get so hung up on it that they lose common sense, and they're just, like, they're not just living their life. You you know? It's just, like, some people need to just, like, step back.

AP Strange: 40:17

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, I mean, I think there's something to be said for kind of avoiding the magical if you're if you're in a really dark place. Like, sometimes it's best to really take a break from it because you can become obsessed, and then you're not helping yourself.

AP Strange: 40:33

And you you can't help anybody around you if you don't help yourself. You know?

Lindsey Sokol: 40:38

Yeah. A 100%. But it's like a lot of times, you'll find, I've had I've had to cut people off from getting tarot readings before because, like, they'll just keep asking the same questions over and over again, you know, and they'll become, like, so dependent on the answers. And I'll just always like, look. The cards will always tell the truth.

Lindsey Sokol: 40:56

You know? But it's the interpretation that can be wrong. You know? That's where human error can come in. So it's like, yes.

Lindsey Sokol: 41:04

I'm trying to do my best to give you the proper interpretation of the cards. And, like, this is great as, like, a framework, a guide, but, like, you can't completely depend on this. You have to also use your own brain and, like, observe what's going on around you and, like, you know, consider consider that as well. You know? Like, you can't just be like, oh my god.

Lindsey Sokol: 41:28

Well, the card said this. I'm gonna base my entire life around this. And it gets to the point where people become so dependent on that that, you know, it gets them into, like, this dangerous almost cult like mentality. It's just, it's just extremely unhealthy, and, and it's bad enough when they're asking you for that information. But then when they start reading it for themselves, then they're just in a feedback loop, and that can really, that can go really wrong.

AP Strange: 41:59

Yeah. Yeah. And, I mean, it it is it is tough to watch, and that that is a good thing to do as a reader is to kind of make put put some boundaries down and say, no. Look. I've given you 3 tarot readings.

AP Strange: 42:11

They all said the same thing. You're just gonna have to accept it. And I think people accept their fate sometimes too, and they don't realize that they have an active role like you said. You know, that's, whether the news is good or bad, they still have an active role to play. You can't, like, sit around waiting for it to happen.

AP Strange: 42:30

You know? Yeah. So

Lindsey Sokol: 42:33

Yeah. Or, like, get all doom and gloom about it and just be like, well, I can't make a decision unless I have the cards to tell me what to do. And it's just like, please please use your own agency. I I I think you need to live your life again instead of letting the cards or astrology or whatever live your life for you. You know?

Lindsey Sokol: 42:52

It's like these are these are just tools. Like, they're not supposed to be, like, pulling your puppet strings.

AP Strange: 43:00

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, they're, they're there to help you be prepared for for some of the things that are gonna happen. You know?

AP Strange: 43:08

And they're they're not they're not making things happen, and you're not just blindly accepting what's coming. You know? You just have to you have to be prepared for the the eventuality. You know? Exactly.

AP Strange: 43:20

Yeah. I always thought of it more as, like, a therapeutic thing, or at least when I started. I'm like, I kinda rationalized it in my own head. Like, this is something, like, that helps me unpack, you know, the root causes of problems, and people can help figure it out. But, you know, I'm not I'm not a therapist.

AP Strange: 43:37

I don't have any training in that kind of stuff, but I always felt like it was helpful in that way. And I wasn't wrong, but there is, like, a magical side to it too that's undeniable if you've been doing it long enough.

Lindsey Sokol: 43:49

So Yeah. And I I've tended to use it more for, like, actual, like, predictive readings, you know, personally. But, you know, I did notice that, you know, when I was doing reading a lot, which was back when I was, like, in high school, college era, you know, reading a lot for people, it does become sort of like a counseling session. And, you know, I was always, like, the friend that people came to with their problems anyway. So it's like, as I'm doing the cards for them, it's like I'm also basically counseling them, giving them life advice.

Lindsey Sokol: 44:25

You know? I just it just ends up, like, not not quite like therapy in the way you're saying where you're unpacking emotions and everything necessarily, but, me being basically the mom friend through the cards.

AP Strange: 44:39

Right. Well, people need that. That's an important role. You know?

Lindsey Sokol: 44:45

At that age. You know?

AP Strange: 44:47

Yeah.

Lindsey Sokol: 44:48

Someone's gotta be the rational person, like, out of the friends group of when you're teenagers.

AP Strange: 44:53

Yeah. Right. Especially if if your friends respect you enough to actually listen to you too. You know? That's the You

Lindsey Sokol: 45:01

can hope.

AP Strange: 45:02

Yeah. Yeah. Otherwise, they they end up getting in trouble. But alright. So we're we're we're we're going in a lot of avenues here.

AP Strange: 45:12

There's a lot of things that I feel like we're speeding right past because we're just talking. Mhmm. I mean, it's it's good, but you mentioned, you know, one of your ferry encounters, and that's great because I mean, I've had 0 fairy fairy encounters, and this is something I I'm very interested in having you talk about a little bit. I think you've told some of this on Octavian Graves' strange strange dominions podcast. Right?

Lindsey Sokol: 45:36

Yes. And, I actually wrote it out. It's it's in Morgan Daimler's, new book, Celtic Fairies in North America. So, they are honestly, someone that I have the utmost respect respect for. I think that they are just a phenomenal academic researcher, and, it's I am I'm honestly honored that one of my encounters well, actually, 2 of my encounters were included in that book.

Lindsey Sokol: 46:01

So,

AP Strange: 46:03

I don't,

Lindsey Sokol: 46:03

like, spoil too much of what happened, but I I I will I will say a few things about that. It was it was very weird. It it happened oh god. Like, I was it happened in, like, the early 2000. I was at a sleepover at my friend's house.

Lindsey Sokol: 46:23

You know? And the the salient points, like, on why I kind of, like, lean towards this counting as a fairy encounter is just because in hindsight, you realize all these things about it. And I also have to give a shout out to, Joshua Kutchin's books because a lot of those, I guess, red flags about Berry is, like, I learned from reading his work as well and, like, listening to him on podcasts. But, like, you know, it was this neighborhood, that was a little bit newer than my grandparents' neighborhood. It was built in the eighties.

Lindsey Sokol: 47:01

So when my mom had been growing up, it was it was forest, and it's where my mom used to go berry picking. And so berry picking is one of those things that you find in a lot of berry encounters. So, like, this was, like, right where the berries would have been. You know? And then, another thing too is, like, you often see, like, red and green lights.

Lindsey Sokol: 47:24

I think orange is another popular color, but, like, there was something with the red and green, and it was ironic that the way they took form when I, visually saw them, you know, not asleep, One was a red ball of light, and, you know, it's like kinda like you said, it's like like a like a plasma. Like, you're not quite sure what it was, but it wasn't throwing off light. It it was illuminated, but it wasn't casting light on on the room. And, the other one, rather than being a ball, looked like what I'd say would be like a 3 or 4 foot figure that was, like, squatting down next to me, and it was green. And I mean, loosely, like, loosely in the shape of, like, a figure squatting down.

Lindsey Sokol: 48:12

Like, you could just barely see a shape. Like, it wasn't, like, a detailed, like, you know, body or anything.

AP Strange: 48:20

I was gonna say this was also luminous? Yes. Yeah. Glowing?

Lindsey Sokol: 48:24

Glowing, like, glowing luminous, but not casting light. So there was no, like, green reflection on the floor anywhere. You know? It was just light. And, there was nothing where the head would be.

Lindsey Sokol: 48:36

So it was like it was headless. Or I couldn't or what I see is I couldn't see its head. You know? My eyes are just human. They are fallible.

Lindsey Sokol: 48:47

I I'm lucky I was able to see this much of the other. You know? But maybe if I had a better, stronger third eye, maybe I would have seen more. You know? But that's what I could see.

Lindsey Sokol: 48:58

It's like basically, like, I saw the head of the one and the body of the other earlier in that night before before we had, like, our PJs on and everything. There was this point where it seemed like something had taken her over when she was speaking to me. And it was, like, in this really, like, you know, weird voice. She was just like, Lindsay, I I think I think an angel is going to visit you tonight. You know?

Lindsey Sokol: 49:28

And I don't know why I got the sense that there'd be 2. Maybe she didn't say angels. I'd have to honestly look back at my own diary at this point, because, you know, it's, like, over 20 years ago.

AP Strange: 49:41

Right.

Lindsey Sokol: 49:42

But yeah. Yeah. I just it was it was the cre it was the creepiest thing ever. I just remember asking her. I'm like, what do you mean?

Lindsey Sokol: 49:48

Like like, in my dream, long awake. Like, I just remember being immediately, like, on edge, like, nervous about this. Like, I I don't I don't wanna see anything. Like, what are you talking about? And

AP Strange: 50:02

Wait. So did she see it too, or were you by yourself when you saw that?

Lindsey Sokol: 50:06

Yeah. She, she was asleep when it came. Oh. Yeah. She had she had already fallen asleep, and I was not asleep yet.

Lindsey Sokol: 50:14

I was just, I was I was laying down, but I hadn't fallen asleep yet. And I I remember at first, like, I was just kinda, like, looking around the room. And when I saw I think it was it's like I had had a bottle of Mountain Dew Code Red, you know, near my head and stuff. I don't know. At first, I thought that, like, the red ball was just, like, somehow, like, a reflection of, like, the moonlight off my, you know, pop bottle or, like, you know?

Lindsey Sokol: 50:50

Like, I was trying my brain was trying to rationalize it, and I was like, wait a minute. It's it's it's a it's a contained ball of light. It's not a beam of light. You know? Like Right.

Lindsey Sokol: 51:00

You know? And

AP Strange: 51:02

Did you get the sense it was, like, free floating? This wasn't, like, like, light on the wall. Right? This was just kinda in the middle

Lindsey Sokol: 51:07

of the room.

AP Strange: 51:08

Yeah. Yeah.

Lindsey Sokol: 51:09

It was a

AP Strange: 51:09

sphere. It was

Lindsey Sokol: 51:10

a sphere. It was in the corner of the room. It was a sphere. Yeah.

AP Strange: 51:13

That's one thing I've always had trouble describing with mine. I thought it was obvious, but not really, I guess, is that these things were, like, free floating. You know? And, like, not it's not like when you reflect something off of something else and it's on the wall and it's a light moving around on the wall. Like, this was had some kind of dense ness to it, and it was a soft light like what you're describing.

AP Strange: 51:36

It wasn't lighting up the room.

Lindsey Sokol: 51:38

I mean, maybe it's because I had my own experience, but I assumed yours were three-dimensional, you know, right off the bat.

AP Strange: 51:45

Okay. Yeah. Well, I mean, I've gotten more careful about how I describe it now, but I feel like it wasn't always that way. And I'm sure you've got the same difficulty. Right?

AP Strange: 51:52

And and, yeah. So but, well, yeah, your your description makes total sense to me. It's more for the listeners, I think, because, people that haven't haven't seen this in person might not really grasp it, but it's it's wild. It's like your your head you your mind can't make sense of it. Right?

AP Strange: 52:10

So

Lindsey Sokol: 52:11

Right. Well, it's like, well, the green one that was, like, essentially squatting next to me, I mean, that was in the middle of the room. You know? So, like, no. There's, you know, there's, like, a bunch of space behind it before you get to, like, you know, the wall and everything.

Lindsey Sokol: 52:26

You know?

AP Strange: 52:27

Right.

Lindsey Sokol: 52:27

Yeah. Yeah. It's, like, what, a couple feet away from the wall, squatted right next to my body. Like, very, very disturbing. Yeah.

AP Strange: 52:36

Oh, didn't talk to you?

Lindsey Sokol: 52:38

No. No. I told you I wasn't gonna tell this story.

AP Strange: 52:43

Oh, alright. Alright. Sorry.

Lindsey Sokol: 52:47

I know. It didn't talk to me, but I felt I felt touches on my body even though I did not see it move. I'll give you that. So yeah. It and it it was a sensation of one one touch felt warm, and then the other touch felt cold and almost wet.

Lindsey Sokol: 53:09

Oof. Yeah.

AP Strange: 53:11

Yeah. Alright. Well, not to dig into this story too much because I know that it's in the book, and we want we want people to to find, Morgan Daimler's book when it comes out. But Yeah. I was just curious.

AP Strange: 53:27

Did your friend remember speaking in a weird voice later? Did you ask? Because you described it specifically as sounding like somebody else's voice coming through her. I was curious if, Yeah.

Lindsey Sokol: 53:38

It it I mean, it it was it, like, it was her voice, but it wasn't her, if that makes more sense. You know? So it's like it was weird, and she got, like, real serious in a weird way when she said it. And, like, it just it it just felt like, you know, like someone else was in there saying it for her. And, like, she knew what she said.

Lindsey Sokol: 54:02

So she didn't know what she said at that point, you know, but it was almost like like, it was her, but, like, even she felt like like, a little bit weird about, I think. It's so it's so it's so hard to remember. Like, and I don't wanna put words in her mouth, but I I I think she kinda felt like maybe she was channeling a message or something is what I'm guessing, you know, it it was. But, like, I don't think she felt, like, controlled. You know?

Lindsey Sokol: 54:36

I don't think

AP Strange: 54:37

Yeah. Right.

Lindsey Sokol: 54:37

She felt like it wasn't like she blacked out or anything. You know? It wasn't anything like that.

AP Strange: 54:45

Okay.

Lindsey Sokol: 54:45

That that's the best I can remember, and I am, like, so sorry if I got it wrong because I just Yeah.

AP Strange: 54:51

I Well, that's a yeah. I mean, I didn't wanna make you tell any stories you didn't wanna tell tonight. So

Lindsey Sokol: 54:58

Oh, it's it's fine. It's fine. It's just like also, like, I hate putting words in people's mouths, you know. Like, I'm

AP Strange: 55:04

just like,

Lindsey Sokol: 55:05

I don't know how she felt exactly anymore because, like, I don't remember, like you know?

AP Strange: 55:10

But Yeah. Especially when you lose touch with people or Yeah. In my case, all my stories from my youth kind of naturally involve my family, and I always I'm always hesitant to tell stories that kind of rely on their point of view as well because I don't wanna talk about them without their consent on that. You know? Like, I wanna

Lindsey Sokol: 55:30

Oh, yeah. I mean, that's understandable. You know?

AP Strange: 55:35

I have reference to, like, on a recent episode, like, my brother doesn't wanna talk about his experiences because he's afraid it'll make it come back. You know? So, like, I respect that, and I don't talk about the specifics, but I will say that he was there for stuff. You know?

Lindsey Sokol: 55:50

Right.

AP Strange: 55:51

Yeah.

Lindsey Sokol: 55:51

Yeah. I know that and that's completely fair. And, like, I probably should've, like, blanked out her name for this too. I normally don't say

AP Strange: 55:59

her name.

Lindsey Sokol: 56:00

Like, we've lost touch.

AP Strange: 56:02

I'm sure it'll be okay.

Lindsey Sokol: 56:03

Yeah. I I did say her last name. So you know?

AP Strange: 56:06

Yeah. Did you did you have a you said you had, like, a lighthearted one that you wanted to share. Right? The bathroom ghost?

Lindsey Sokol: 56:13

Yeah. I I can I can share the bathroom ghost? It's actually a Christmas time one. You know?

AP Strange: 56:18

Oh, excellent.

Lindsey Sokol: 56:19

Yeah. I'm sad we didn't get to the poltergeist y stuff. I had a glass levitate on us. But,

AP Strange: 56:27

Oh, Yeah. I mean, well, I'll I'll throw mine at you, the the bathroom ghost because it's real short. Like like we were saying with poltergeist stuff, a lot of it is really doesn't doesn't, take that long to tell, so it's not an impressive story. But there was one in the in the bathroom in the house I grew up in. Mhmm.

AP Strange: 56:46

My brother screamed after he got out of the shower, and I went in to see what he was doing. And there were a pair of, like, little kid handprints in the steam on the window at the top of the window up near the, like, the ceiling. You know?

Lindsey Sokol: 57:00

Oh my god.

AP Strange: 57:02

And I could never figure that one out. Like, it scared the hell out of him. Yeah. He was he was little. And, I mean, I had to think, like, if he held on to the door, he maybe coulda, like, walked up the wall and then, like, just put his feet on.

AP Strange: 57:17

I'm like or even if you use the palm of your hand and then your fingertips to make, like, a fake footprint

Lindsey Sokol: 57:23

Yeah.

AP Strange: 57:24

He wouldn't have been able to reach that high. Like, there was nothing for him to stand on over there that and and he seemed legitimately scared. It was like

Lindsey Sokol: 57:32

It'd be very slippery too. You know?

AP Strange: 57:35

Yeah. And the door was closed the whole time he was in there. I mean, that that was one that blew my mind, and that that was just one of, like, many weird little older guys' context, but it's just like like tiny footprints on a window in the steam after the shower Up near the ceiling.

Lindsey Sokol: 57:55

Yeah. That that's definitely a bit strange.

AP Strange: 57:59

Yeah.

Lindsey Sokol: 57:59

Poor brother.

AP Strange: 58:01

Yeah. Yeah. He was traumatized.

Lindsey Sokol: 58:04

Oh, yeah.

AP Strange: 58:04

I think he actually fell down the stairs after that one. I think he oh, no. That was a different time. There was an alarm clock radio plugged into the same outlet that the lights were. So when you flipped on the lights, the radio automatically came on, but it was always really quiet.

AP Strange: 58:18

It was just like a really quiet, like, pop station. And somehow the volume got jacked all the way up. My brother turned on the light, and it just blasted at him, and he went running away and slipped and fell down the stairs.

Lindsey Sokol: 58:32

Oh god. Oh, no. I thought he was okay.

AP Strange: 58:38

Yeah. I mean, he was he was good at hurting himself other ways, you know. He didn't need an excuse usually. So, he was okay that time. But, yeah, I'd love I'd love to hear about your bathroom guest.

Lindsey Sokol: 58:51

Okay. Well, yeah, we'll we'll start with the bathroom guest.

AP Strange: 58:54

And I can always have you back for for a full poltergeist chat. We can just do a whole episode just on poltergeist.

Lindsey Sokol: 59:00

Yeah. Yeah. The how the house that I lived in in college was a it's it's definitely a good a good story that carried on, actually past college. But, yeah, for the bathroom goes, it was, it was my grandma's house. You know?

Lindsey Sokol: 59:15

And, like, for Christmas, me and my cousin would basically, like, sleep over for the whole 2 weeks. Like like, they lived, like, 5 minutes down the road from my mom's house, so it just became like slumber party for me and the cousin. You know? And we'd have the whole family there at night, you know, because my aunt and my cousin and my uncle, they were all coming in from Texas. So, you know, we would just, you know, eat cookies, watch TV, like, with the whole family for 2 weeks.

Lindsey Sokol: 59:45

And there's just this one night, and this is the beginning of the bathroom ghost saga. But this one night, you know, I'm going to the bathroom. It's, like, late at night. Mom's got her cookies, her tea. Everyone's everyone is in the living room.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:00:01

Okay? All watching TV with their cookies. I'm the only one on the other side of the house where the bathroom is. And as I'm using the bathroom, they have, they have, like, that lever style handle on the doors, not a round doorknob. So I was able yeah.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:00:20

So I was able to watch it slowly turn down and open. And now my first thought was not a ghost because, see, my cousin and I would play tricks on her dad all the time. We were jerks. Okay? And one of our favorite things to do is that this is so awful.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:00:45

When when he was trying to shower, I found that using the, the stick part of my belt buckle, I could unlock the door. And so we would unlock it, push it open, and run. Like, that was our that was our hilarious joke, you know, because we're we're really young at this point, so it's funny.

AP Strange: 01:01:08

Yeah.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:01:10

So I thought I thought I was getting pranked back. You know? I was a 100%. I was like, oh, I'm so angry. They got me.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:01:18

Oh, so, like, you know, I'm storming out of the bathroom all the way, you know, back to the living room. I'm like, which one of you did it? Amber? Uncle Dennis? You know?

Lindsey Sokol: 01:01:29

I'm like, who opened the door on me? And they're all just like, Lindsay, what are you talking about? I'm like, someone open the bathroom door on me. Someone pulled the prank. You know?

Lindsey Sokol: 01:01:38

And they're like, no. We've all been in here the whole time. And I always have to, explain. My mom is the most boring Capricorn on Earth. She will not lie.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:01:48

She will not indulge in praying. So, you know, mom says no one left, no one left.

AP Strange: 01:01:54

Right.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:01:54

So that's when I was like, what the heck? Right? And so everyone's like, well, it it it just probably wasn't latched all the way. It probably just, you know, maybe the vent blew it open. I'm like, mom, the vent is inside.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:02:07

The door opens inward. The vent would have blown it closed, not open it. You know? Like, make and make sense.

AP Strange: 01:02:13

Can't move the handle. Right?

Lindsey Sokol: 01:02:14

Yeah. You can't slowly turn the handle. And, like, that's the part I kept sticking on too. Exactly. And the my mom's just like, no.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:02:22

It was just it was just the wind. I'm like, oh my god. That's how she is. So I I maintain I maintain this was the bathroom ghost, and that's how that's how the legend started. And so, you know, year years later, it's like, when it was, like, an actual Christmas day, not just, you know, during the, time off, you know, vacation time.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:02:44

But our other cousins who, came up from Columbus, you know, were there because it was actual Christmas dinner. And I think it was I think the first one was yeah. It was Cal. I think it was okay. It was my younger cousin who was the first one to, have this experience.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:03:00

She she, you know, went into the bathroom, and she had the bathroom ghost experience with a door open on her. And so, of course, you know, we had to explain the whole legend, initiate her on, like, you know, this is what the bathroom ghost does. It opens the door on you when you're trying to use the bathroom at Christmas time. You know? And then you fast forward a couple more years, and they, I had a new step cousin, so she had never heard the legend of the bathroom ghost.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:03:30

And we're all, you know, in the one room. It's like the, like, the fancier living room. You know? Not like the family room, den kind of one, but, like, the one with, like, the fancier couches. It's closer to the bathroom.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:03:43

So we're all in that one hiding away from the, quote, unquote adults and talking about stuff. And my cousin the step cousin passes by. She goes to the bathroom. She comes out, comes into the room with us, and she's like, I think something's wrong with your door. Like, your door opened on me in the bathroom.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:04:02

And then, of course, we're all like, oh, we're gonna stick on you. So, yeah, that's that's been the legend of the bathroom ghost. It happens, like, every couple of years to a new cousin, basically.

AP Strange: 01:04:15

Dude, that's wild. I wonder if it's just the residual kind of, like, prankster energy from you and your cousin when you're just, like, little, you know?

Lindsey Sokol: 01:04:25

Like,

AP Strange: 01:04:25

it's kinda kinda like how people think there's a psychic imprint of a traumatic event. But in this case, it's just the pure glee that comes with a nonsensical childhood prank.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:04:36

It definitely it's definitely a strong possibility or something just, you know, maybe was inspired by us. But either way,

AP Strange: 01:04:45

I mean,

Lindsey Sokol: 01:04:46

it it's it's fantastic. I I I love it. So

AP Strange: 01:04:50

Yep. Christmas bathroom ghost. This is great because I didn't really have a Christmas episode in mind, but this is gonna be perfect for it because this is coming out right around Christmas. So I like that. Christmas bathroom ghost is a wonderful story, and I'm glad we got it in.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:05:03

And so do I.

AP Strange: 01:05:05

But, yeah, I will definitely have to have you back at some point where we can just trade poltergeist stories because that'll be that'll be fun. Like, poltergeist activity is is something that's one of my favorite subjects and the thing I've had the most paranormal experience with out of all all all things. So Really? Yeah. I just

Lindsey Sokol: 01:05:23

I just say, I I mean, I I won't have just Poltergeist because I really don't have that much, but I do have things that are tangential including I could even get into telekinesis if you'd like. So

AP Strange: 01:05:33

Well, that's where I would go with it because I I generally have thought of it as being recurrent like, a recurring spontaneous psychokinesis on my part. You know? So, I think there is a connection anyway. Like, it's not necessarily one or the other. You know?

AP Strange: 01:05:47

It could be yeah. Yeah. I think we're on the same wavelength.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:05:51

Oh, yeah.

AP Strange: 01:05:51

That'll be that'll be a good future show coming in 20 25. Yeah.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:05:56

So excited.

AP Strange: 01:05:58

But for now, where can people you you have a whole business with candles and spellcraft and stuff. Right?

Lindsey Sokol: 01:06:06

I I I do. I I I just started this year, but I have Roadside Apothecary LLC. And so I have very I have your mundane stuff, you know, like scented candles and some, gemstone jewelry and things like that. But where I, have something unique to offer is that I dabble in, spell candles and sort of, magic and materia. So jewelry that I craft during certain astrological events.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:06:38

And Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With the spell candles, just to give you a quick idea of them, what I'm doing is I'm using correspondence tables to kinda get everything you need packed into the candle, doing it on the correct day of the week, planetary hour, moon phase, all that jazz to just kind of do all the hard grunt work for you. So when you need it, it's already ready to go for you.

AP Strange: 01:07:03

Wow. Amazing. Yeah. Because that is time consuming and hard stuff for a lot of people. So but if you're well practiced in it, you know, it's it's, go to the pros when you want that stuff done.

AP Strange: 01:07:14

That's what I say.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:07:15

And they're still good too. So Yeah.

AP Strange: 01:07:18

Yeah. So that's Roadside Apothecary. I can put the link for that in the show notes as well.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:07:24

Yeah. Absolutely. Thank you.

AP Strange: 01:07:26

Along with the Waterford, film festival. Yes. Because we've covered a lot of ground tonight for for an hour long program. But, if people wanna find you on the Internet, first of all, is that something you want people to do? You want people to find you?

AP Strange: 01:07:42

But, if so, where where can they find you?

Lindsey Sokol: 01:07:47

I I I swear that the only public, page I have other than my business is, you you can find me on Blue Sky. So if you wanna link that, I I am gonna keep have that as my public face, I guess, if people really wanna, you know, get ahold of me for something.

AP Strange: 01:08:05

Okay. Nice.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:08:06

I I warn you, I don't follow back.

AP Strange: 01:08:09

Okay.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:08:11

I'll follow back if, like, I find your cats cute enough, but that's about it.

AP Strange: 01:08:15

Yeah. Yep. Show the cats. Cats are the price of entry. Alright, Lindsay.

AP Strange: 01:08:23

Well, this has been a blast as I suspected it would be.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:08:26

It has.

AP Strange: 01:08:27

Thank you. Yeah. Thank you so much for coming on, and I will definitely have you back on.

Lindsey Sokol: 01:08:31

Thank you so much for having me. It's been a pleasure, man. It's great.

AP Strange: 01:08:36

Alright. Talk soon. Bye. Bye.