Charting the Imaginal with Glennie F. Sewell
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AP Strange:I'm happy to have as a guest today, somebody that I met at the Paranormal Research Symposium when I was in Gettysburg. And prior to going, I was very excited to see his presentation. My guest today is Glennie F. Sewell. He is the founder of the Messenger Guardian Institute, his YouTube channel and paranormal investigation group.
AP Strange:Also Messenger Guardian Messenger Guardian's Paranormal Investigation Studios there. He's a teacher at Troy University teaching World Lit, and he's currently working on a thesis at the California Institute of Integral Studies about the imaginal and lived realities and personal narratives of lived paranormal experiences, which, again, when you're throwing around words like liminal, imaginal, can imagine that I was very excited to see this presentation and very excited to meet the man. So, welcome to the show, Glennie.
Glennie Sewell:I appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you for inviting me. I really appreciate it. It was really good.
Glennie Sewell:Well, we met up before, you know, we met up as a result of the, symposium, but we met before the actual symposium went down. So, you know, when we got on video together.
AP Strange:Right. Yeah. I didn't think yeah. I don't think you could have known that I was particularly looking forward to your presentation, though.
Glennie Sewell:No. No. And I I have no right to expect that of anyone. So to be very honest, I try not to hold that kind of expectation for it. You know, it's for all I knew I was going to have crickets at mine.
AP Strange:Well, yours was yours was very interactive. I mean, you're working towards your thesis that you're currently working on that I had just mentioned in your in your in your bio there.
Glennie Sewell:But I
AP Strange:was the person.
Glennie Sewell:Right. But I was interacting independently of it, though. So I was acting during that workshop independently of it, which is why it doesn't mention it. I don't mention it during the during the session. Okay.
Glennie Sewell:Because I'm simply just doing preliminary work, you know, to see how that to see how it would roll down, to see what questions were effective and what would roll down. And before I actually, you know, do a full on full scale. So,
AP Strange:yeah. Okay. Yeah. So the thesis you're working towards has a lot to do with it's a variety of paranormal experiences. You seem open to pretty much anything that somebody would like to share with you, right?
Glennie Sewell:Yes. And ultimately, how I end up going about it may might even change. I've got the symposiums. I've got some data collected. But again, I'm only taking a portion of that data and using it for the article that was supposed to write and deliver to them by mid October.
Glennie Sewell:So I'm using a little bit of that. And in doing that, I realize I'm pretty much seeing how this thing will it's like an it's like a secondary pilot study. It's, you know, I call it a preliminary because I did a pilot over a year ago, but and and then refreshed things in it and refreshed the questions. And now this is kind of a preliminary, which again is why I don't mention the institute. I mean, I don't mention CIIS when I was doing it simply because I was doing it for myself.
Glennie Sewell:I was doing it for my MGI to see how I could, you know, how what questions would answer, what people would be comfortable with and seeing how that would work, would lay out. Of course, they had the the consent permissions and consents, which I posted on the electronic board up in the up behind me with the with they could scan their phones and do the and give the consent. And that seemed to really work for those who got in and did the questions. And it seemed to be Okay for for the recorders that I had lying around. Nothing was hidden.
Glennie Sewell:All the I was placing the recorders openly with the and no one seemed to be against that. I said, look, no personal information. No, you know, no. I don't even want biographical data, on people because I think that that causes, that causes, I don't know, a negative interpretation of who has what experiences based on gender, based on on ethnicity, based on all this. And to me, those factors are are using the illusion of human separation, of these fields of separation that we project, from the imaginal into our reality for, you know, for our own sakes and for our own mental.
Glennie Sewell:I guess we think it's for our own mental sanity. But to be very honest, it causes a more mental abrasion than anything. Right. We're separated in all of these things when we're really all all the same consciousness energy fragmented into countless quadrillions of of of life forms and beings and sentience that think that it's all separate. But it's really all just one pretending, you know, talking to itself, that kind of that kind of concept, which is, you know, so to me, I want to know the stories, the the stories without having to know the names of the people, without having to know others have done the work about on ethnicities and other groups and others have done some work out there for that.
Glennie Sewell:But for me, I'm really wanting wanting to get to the real lived experiences for the projection of it, for what for just the use of a particular word that someone may say or phrase or an idea. And these are ideas and experiences that there's no there's no agreeing or disagreeing with them. They're their experiences that simply have happened. So now take the wording of that from the directly from the source of the person who lived it. And we and we take apart what those words mean and what they're what they're implying and how it how and how is it are those words helping the person who's telling them project reality around them to to to make sense of the of those particular words.
Glennie Sewell:If you're a particular scientist looking for a particular proof on a particular theory, the the the and you say, I've found some I'll I'll find, you know, I'll find proof of my theory. I said, well, you probably will. If that's where you believe things are going, then then then then that space, that that kind of inter inter spiritual stitcher, I think the word is stitcher, that liminal space in between physical reality and the ultimate reality of the place where consciousness where truly lives has this space where it mechanizes things together, projected from and to, the ultimate reality, builds itself and then projects itself physical reality, then they will find some proof of their work. They will find something that shapes it takes form for them. Yes.
Glennie Sewell:Will everybody see it? Maybe. Will only a certain group see it? Yes, maybe. Does it mean it's not real?
Glennie Sewell:Absolutely not. It doesn't mean that at all. It means that there is some reality to what they're talking about. It's just that they probably don't understand how intensely great and powerful that reality really is that you are responsible for building your own world and for for create, you know, we've got games that do that yet. We don't realize that's probably how it works on a much larger scale.
Glennie Sewell:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's other stuff I was thinking, but I'll let that roast for a Well,
AP Strange:yeah. I mean, and even in the stories that were shared during the workshop of your presentation, you could see how some of these events that people described were formative for them in maybe ways that they didn't realize. It's something they had to kind of keep to themselves for the most part. But yeah, I think it's a nice thing when they're able to actually share the experience with someone. You know?
Glennie Sewell:Now, did you sit along the back wall in my I did. Yep. That's thought. That's what I thought I remembered seeing. But yeah, and I was hoping you guys would speak that no one along that back wall spoke.
Glennie Sewell:And that really got me because it was open to everyone being able to have, you know, to speak. Even even the one I well, the one guy was was not I don't think he was there. He's the one who said was a skeptic. I don't think he was there. And there and I told him I would have liked him for him to have come because it doesn't matter whether someone's skeptic or someone's just that and the other.
Glennie Sewell:None of that matters in this kind of study and this kind of workshop. It's their experiences or just anomalous experiences, something that interesting, something that got them into this, something that frightened them, something that, you know, that maybe they for them, they explained away. And that's great. But I still need to know about that experience and the reaction to it and didn't observe or try to understand the reaction to it. Whatever the nature of the experience really was, I want to be able to understand the reaction to it.
Glennie Sewell:And it almost does sound like if I won't be coy, it's a it's a psychological, sociological, psychological kind of react of observation. But I'm not a psychologist. I'm not a sociologist. I have I understand how those functions work. There's a lot of to some extent, I've got a lot of literature review support from that background, So, you know, I'm not going to reinvent the wheel.
Glennie Sewell:There are those who have looked into it. And my whole observation then focuses on the paradigm in the language itself and in how that language helps them accept, not accept, build reality around them. So I'm coming from it from my own my own larger degree standard, which, you know, in literature and in writing and producing stories and film review and all those things, those kind of things where that kind of work does actually help parse and annotate reality, you know, the people's experiences. And it's amazing what you can get from people's experiences just by one or two phrases they've made that are particular phrases that are that is a particular word. Most people don't make mistakes in their wording as much as they think they do, especially when you get them to open up freely without thinking someone's going to nail them for having said a particular word or whatever.
Glennie Sewell:And I'm not no one has ever gotten untoward in any of these recordings or whatever. I still have to transcribe this preliminary workshop that I did. I still have to transcribe that one. And I'm doing another one Saturday. No one's ever gotten because it's never led to that because people become very introspective when they're giving this information.
Glennie Sewell:They're able to look inward, try and understand themselves as they're talking about it. So they are selective with their wording. They won't just throw around anything. They'll become more internal and more honest when they're talking. So, and that's what that felt like during that session.
AP Strange:It did. And like I said, it felt like, you know, you had a few older women there. I mean, know that the demographic stuff is an important. You're trying to keep that out, but it seemed to me that some of them maybe just had never told the story or like, know, something that happened in their childhood and they didn't have many opportunities to tell it over the years, you know? Right.
Glennie Sewell:I suspect that, yes, that demographic was there, and it might be something I talk about, I mentioned in passing, but that that data is not collected specifically because I feel that there are instances, many instances in which other parts of of different demographics will have responded the same way. Had they known about this this sort of thing, been able to come affordably to it? There might have been more people, different people, more men. But I don't what I don't want to do is crowd the stories. I don't want to crowd the data that I'm does that make sense?
AP Strange:It does. Yeah. I mean, you're looking for commonalities in human perceptual experience rather than differences.
Glennie Sewell:Right. So I guess I'm trying to leave that out, even though in my own work, have mentioned differences and mentioned how it is more far more rare in Western culture to see people of African descent doing this kind of work. So but that might have another other possibility or reason behind it. I already get what some of that is, especially from our own country's history, those kind of things. And then you've got the history that you've got certain movements, enlightenment movements and that people, certain groups of people were excluded from because of the larger culture from which these studies were done from the larger culture, not necessarily these particular ones.
Glennie Sewell:And then over time, groups of people, and just far smaller in number sometimes get involved. But there's just a lot there. That's a whole other study that could be done. And I don't know if I wish to do it, but it is something I touch on, but not something that I'm going to dive into. I only did it to kind of bring the attention of, well, this is a different, you know, different aspect of a person bringing this information forward.
Glennie Sewell:It's not the same thing as you always see in YouTube or on TV. You don't always there's always that 1% or less show where it's someone like myself. But it's rare. It's extremely rare. And I don't take a comedic turn on any of that simply because it's not I you know, I see some things in YouTube over the years or streaming television that ends up on YouTube and it's not and I'm not naming anything, but some of it, some of it's okay and some of it's not funny at all and not worthy at all.
Glennie Sewell:And I've gone off on letters to the production crews of those. Yeah. I don't know what you all were thinking, but this is just stereotypical as and I would just go at it, say, completely lose my lose my composure and let in letter form. I wouldn't you wouldn't go on forward language or anything, but I was not happy with some things. And then other shows are kind of funny and Okay, and I get it.
Glennie Sewell:But again, I take a more serious look at things, and try to help people without No. And now granted, outside the paranormal, if I could do a comedy show, believe me, I could pull one off. You know, I can be comedic. I just don't like being comedic with a lot of this. I can on occasion.
Glennie Sewell:It can happen if it happens. But on a serious study level where I'm trying to really do an episode and do work in my YouTube channel when I'm putting up an episode, I'm not normally you know, we might laugh nervously over something, but you know, you don't really have. And maybe that's what a lot of light comedy is in this field. It's nervous laughter when you go and understand the nature of what something is. I'm not saying with my study, I understand the nature of what these anomalousparanormal experiences are other than the, you know, the paranormal is truly actually the normal.
Glennie Sewell:We've simply not my whole thing is to get us to understand that and to get our, you know, to the paranormal outside normal is actually inside the normal. It's actually this these anomalous states are far more common than than anomalous. But wording and human guttural languages are very limiting. So in order to get people in, we have to use those kind of wording. Yeah.
AP Strange:Yeah. I mean, to your point, I feel like a lot of humor in the paranormal borders on the exploitative. I mean, when you're laughing at somebody and their experience, whether you believe them or not, I mean, some of these experiences can be downright traumatic, know? Right. And especially if you're talking not just the human ones, but if you're talking about a spirit haunting the place because they were horribly murdered there or something and you're making jokes about that, that's like
Glennie Sewell:pretty I I can't abide by that at all. Right. One of those things that just is not funny to me. And in being able to take on and feel emotions and stuff like that and feel others emotions and other things that have happened, I can't say I have a specific ability, but I'm just saying in going through that, I can't can't really say that unless they're projecting laughter or maybe they were a funny person or something like that. Ultimately, that sort of thing could come out in that as, oh, they're causing us to laugh because they were really a funny person and they were really great humor.
Glennie Sewell:And that's why there's laughter here in the moment. You know, that I feel like that sort of thing might come out in any explanation, but I've never really had that happen yet. So, but anything is possible. But but you're right. The whole production of shows that exploit humor in this kind of field to a ridiculous extent is just does bother me.
Glennie Sewell:I don't like that angle. Now, that's just myself I am talking about. I cannot I wouldn't dare to speak for somebody else who wants that angle. That's the angle they take. Have at it, Hass.
Glennie Sewell:I mean, I won't have anything to do with it myself, but it just it I have to be serious about this because of the nature of what I'm trying to imply with some of the preliminary data that we build. We this isn't this isn't old news that we possibly build reality around ourselves based on our own our own experiences, our our fear, our darkest fears, our greatest hopes, our quiet our quietest secrets because there's no secrets in the, quote, the universe. If I were to use religious language with that, someone would say someone might say, well, you know, you can't lie to God. I said, well, if you're talking as God as then the one consciousness that we actually are a part of and are we're not subsumed by it, we are it, then you're right. That's utterly impossible.
Glennie Sewell:And if you gave it the word universe to give it a universal feel, because really, what's the point of adding all this human emotional states to it and giving it a name and giving it this these caricatures that we put in our from our history, calling it god and all that. Well, wonderful, great, but if indeed it's one consciousness, then it's far more powerful than any any kind of God or Gods we can give power to. Right. And you can never hide from it. So it is you.
Glennie Sewell:You can't hide from it. No amount of lying can can no amount of I forget the other the other word used for lying.
AP Strange:Creative storytelling? No.
Glennie Sewell:Yeah. Well, there's that. Dissembling. That's it.
AP Strange:Oh, all right. No one kind
Glennie Sewell:of dissembling will hide what your true intent is and ultimately or hide what really happened. Someone might have to figure out a way of reaching into the imaginal to see the actual record of what happened, you know, doing meditations, doing what they can do, calling it, giving it names, give it, give it, call it the Akashic record. That's great. Give it that library name. To me, that's the space we can go into.
Glennie Sewell:If the ancient Sufi could think of it in in such an ancient space in between that they could even travel between points in the physical space to other points in the physical space by using the imaginal realm and that only special ones could make that crossing. Why not? If you can send things into it mentally and spiritually to create and build back, you can build up an entire city in that space instantly, but project it back to the person who is the artist or who is the builder, the creator, the designer. And they are going to take something that is real there and reproduce it moment by moment here. It may take ten years.
Glennie Sewell:It may take fifteen years. But ultimately, after they get all the elements moving that need to move, they've reproduced the very thing that existed on that other non physical side instantly. You know, the in anyone's mind, in any creator's mind, the thing they've created, the novel they've written, the TV show they've made, the the the book they read, all of that is is happening and has happened on that other side, in that space, in that that that quantum space is instant and it's there. And now the idea is to push it, is to push the very thing you've wanted back, back out into this world and build reality and build that reality around you, making it real for quite a number of people. So, And when I say quite a number of those who are paying attention to it and see it, there's so many people living on this world who have no concepts of these massive large cities and this, that and the other and technology beyond a simple box television, if that or radio or who just don't have any of that stuff.
Glennie Sewell:So it's not in their reality. It's not built into their reality. It's nothing they would ever imagine. They have no experiences that can build that for them and they don't have to. It's not necessary.
Glennie Sewell:So when we've got cultures who are under an iron foot of some sort on other in other parts of the planet or cultures that had not been exposed, to current human technologies and cultures and destructive patterns, they don't have the they have their own imaginable existence, their own lived experiences to build reality around them. And that's how reality works for every sentient being, whether they're living ancient in a forest or in a jungle somewhere or, living separated underground from every away from everyone or they're out and about, cell phones stuck to their hand and stuck to their face and going about life every day, it still will work exactly the same. At least that's my idea from all the preliminary study I've done over the last, three plus years now heading into the fourth year.
AP Strange:Yeah, and I could see how like regardless of the form it takes, there must be symbolic similarities anyway, right? Where the the numeral qualities behind the phenomena that happens probably recur down through different cultures and different times. Right. In different ways.
Glennie Sewell:And in different ways. That's why I say, I think I'm going to I'm ending up answering while I'm talking to you. And this happened in the other thing I did, too. While I'm talking to you, I realize if I can keep my my my mind moving, it's moving faster than Well, it's not my mind, actually. It's more of my higher self is moving faster than the mental self.
Glennie Sewell:So therefore it's speaking faster than the mental self can process. Sometimes I'll suddenly lose my words. And then I need the person talking to me to tell me the last thing I said. But because it's that's it and they say one or two words and that's it, everything returns back. I mean, link really links up again and it's happened many times over the years.
Glennie Sewell:But I think I'm realizing the possible outcome of some of this data, which I'll probably need to write into my work, is that no one is excluded from this process of this imaginal projection process. Now granted, I am using words. I'm using, words used by, Unrecorbin, you know. I'm using Sufi material. I'm using things that have been used for anywhere from a century or more further back in time, from the 60s, way back, from studying this material.
Glennie Sewell:So, Corbin didn't invent them and then didn't invent it. He just studied it a great deal from the Sufi materials, from, and, you know. I'm realizing that no one is excluded from this kind of ability, this kind of ability to understand how this works. No one's ever excluded, even even someone locked in a horrific mental state. You know, maybe that maybe their mental state is working, but their body isn't.
Glennie Sewell:They're not excluded from it either. And it's not a blame. The worst thing someone can take this data is, oh, it's blame the the the child is born into extreme poverty and and starvation. And I'm like, that's not how any of this is telling you it works. You know, that's this is just a mechanism for reality to build itself.
Glennie Sewell:It's not judging bad, good. It's not doing any of that. It's only giving independent sparks. It will seemingly independent is giving these these sparks of consciousness. It's producing the code they're sending to it.
Glennie Sewell:If the code is fear and confusion, then fear and confusion will be what comes back. It's not making a judgment one way or the other. But if there's a single spark of there must be something better, will someone not come help? Then someone suddenly then there is something that projects forward. And somewhere in reality, someone gets the spark to appear and go and help and that they appear in the very life of that one person who needed help, who hoped that there'd be more.
Glennie Sewell:And then, yes, they do break out of the system somehow and start believing once again that they can. There is more. Now, when I tell people that belief notwithstanding, it really doesn't matter whether you believe one way or the other. The system will work. This projection system will work.
Glennie Sewell:Now, whether or not you understand that you have control or you just decide you're not going to have control at all. Well, that's still control. You're just allowing the system itself to simply format your hard drive for you without you setting the boundaries instead of parameters. You know, you still told it to you still bought the computer and stuck the hard in with the hard drive in there and you pushed the button saying, yeah, do it yourself. I don't care how any of this is done.
Glennie Sewell:Okay. You know, so you still made the decision. But again, how things are done and what parameters to set, that's always going to be part of us. That's always going to be our idea. So building our reality around us is always going to be on us.
Glennie Sewell:If we create a mass situation of mass, if we create a situation of mass destruction, then we've somehow managed to bring that event forward. If enough of us, and I do mean quite enough of us, keep putting that out there, then we're going to make an event that takes place. We're going to bring forth an event like that. And it's not going to be some quote, punishment from God. I'm thinking, yeah, what?
Glennie Sewell:No. Take responsibility for this one. We could have seen that coming.
AP Strange:We decided
Glennie Sewell:that we'd rather watch movies about us destroying the planet, which by the way are some amusing films. But we make films about it. We have all sorts of fantasies about it. And then we don't do anything to work towards spotting them. So maybe that doesn't happen.
Glennie Sewell:And then we get surprised that one could be coming our way. So what? Already imagined it could happen. And remember, whatever you can imagine can be made possible. So, you know, that's from that.
Glennie Sewell:I know that almost sounds Disney childlike and I don't mean to name drop
AP Strange:it, Yeah. You To make it sound even more absurd, I think if I'm understanding you correctly, whatever you can imagine is not only possible, it's already occurred just elsewhere.
Glennie Sewell:Yeah.
AP Strange:It needs to be brought through here.
Glennie Sewell:Right. So we can. Yes. So if you're going to imagine it and you're going to give it that much energy, it will build itself. You know, it will build itself based entirely on our creative power, our ability to be creative towards with the with the energies we have.
Glennie Sewell:I say there's again, human guttural languages are so completely inaccurate, inaccurate. They don't work very well. They're not precise. I know I've said that that's redundant, but I'm trying to use several words to create the understanding that I don't always have the right words for it. But we say we say those are religious amongst us.
Glennie Sewell:And that's Okay, by the way, because this framework does work for them. If it helps them get through to the understanding, they'll say the power of God gives you that kind of thing. Okay. And work with that. And if it helps you understand, it helps one understand what something is.
Glennie Sewell:That's the framework is fine. It works. And it's again, it's neither a good or bad thing for me. I have no judgment on the framework because the framework has to work for the person who's projecting, who's doing it.
AP Strange:Yeah. I mean, well, in essence, have a tall order ahead of you because you're trying to use language to describe the ineffable when the ineffable is by definition not describable through language.
Glennie Sewell:Right. Which is why I complain about language so much because it's and I did this when I worked on a similar idea during my MFA years ago, like more than a decade ago, about a decade now since I finished it January 2016. Well, January 2026 will be ten years since I finished that. And and it it it started the inroads that ultimately created this this study. And what it was is I didn't realize that it took me probably a year or two after I started doing this work where I realized, wait a minute, I really did start on this long time ago and didn't realize I had done it already.
Glennie Sewell:But I did it on a preliminary basis, not just I did. I did it with just studying languages and stories that I didn't take directly from people myself, but that I went and searched. In this case, I'm getting the stories from people directly. I'm not getting online. I'm not going through YouTube.
Glennie Sewell:I'm not going through things I've heard. I'm not going on radio shows and listening to that. Could. Others have. And that's a valid way of doing it.
Glennie Sewell:But there's something I'm going to use this word again because it applies to something deeply creative with being able to collect the stories yourself. There's something deeply cherishing in a positive way to get this information and dig through it yourself from people who wanted you to have it in order to look at it in study, this kind in this kind of work where they don't Yeah.
AP Strange:Well, one of my considered a blessing for somebody to open up and share with you too, right? Mean, I describe it that way when I feel blessed to receive somebody's emotional and lived experience, know, that they trust me enough to share it with me, you know. It's something that connection. The connection is is part of it.
Glennie Sewell:Oh yeah, and it's a layer. It's an extra layer you work with that you don't get to work with with stories you've selected from the Internet or from books from a long time ago, those kind of things. And again, those studies do exist. I do have some in my work that I back them back, but that I used to back up my work by. And those are valid.
Glennie Sewell:But then there are other stories from medical doctors who got into this as well, who have written books about, say, children who've had other lifetime experiences. We say past present. There is no time in my work. But because we keep ourselves sane and sane, we use linear time to stop ourselves from going crazy. But but we use words like past life, future life, that to me, it's all time, all at once, forever across all realities, all lifetimes, whatever.
Glennie Sewell:It doesn't make them untrue. It makes them just happening all at once. And I'm not the one who created I'm not the the fragment that pushes this idea first. I will not take
AP Strange:that credit. So Well, so, yeah, time itself is co created as a concept.
Glennie Sewell:Right. By us, you know, to stop ourselves from going completely mad. It's amazing that we don't realize that. Some do. There are some amazing physicists and other people out there who amazingly do understand that and get it.
Glennie Sewell:And then you have those who fight it tooth and nail, the way people fight tooth and nail over the existence of Bigfoot, although insulted. Oh, like Bigfoot, you didn't really exist. I'm thinking, where'd you get that idea? I said, there's a crap ton of research out there suggests that they really do exist and they don't like that name. But there's stuff out there that does suggest that certain things are a reality and data has been stacked on it, but suppressed constantly by a material community, a material scientific community that does not want their own idea of reality sidelined.
Glennie Sewell:So you get a lot of data that simply isn't paid attention to and people come to the conclusions. I'm not blaming them for having done this, that something's never been studied before or no one's ever done that. Bigfoot isn't real and UFOs aren't. It's like, Okay, as you're saying a lot, you're doing a lot of heavy lifting with those words, but you have nothing to back up what you just claimed. Know?
Glennie Sewell:What Yeah,
AP Strange:or they'll choose the low hanging fruit and make assumptions and say like, well, if you're talking about UFOs, you must be talking about extraterrestrial physical entities from another planet in a spaceship. Then they say that's not real. It's like, okay, you can check that off the box, but we do see stuff in the sky. Don't know
Glennie Sewell:what Yeah, it you can check and even to make the claim that it isn't real. I set that aside. Go, okay, you want to make that claim? I said, But humans have forever imagined it to be real. And when I say imagined, I don't mean just a blightful thought that just goes by.
Glennie Sewell:I mean, truly projected into the imaginal space, the very thing that has become all these deep TV shows that we have had for a while. We've gone we've we've developed science fiction TV shows where we've imagined that very damn, excuse me, that very thing. We've imagined it deeply. And yet we can convince ourselves that it's not real. Oh, that's just
AP Strange:not real.
Glennie Sewell:It's just a TV show thinking, Okay, let's put that to the side. We're not sweeping it into the trash can because no, we're not sweeping that away, but we're going to put it to the side. We do see things in the sky. There are things happening. When they go, Oh, it's mass hysteria and mass hallucination.
Glennie Sewell:I'm thinking mass hallucination has to have a shared cultural experience though. When you got people from entirely different cultures who might be in the same city for a meeting, doing things, various events, but who don't necessarily believe one way or the other, or who are vehemently against certain ideas because of their religious nature, but suddenly they all are sharing the same event. That's that speaks to something else taking place And a more mass humanity imaginable effect. Humanity has brought this about. They projected it.
Glennie Sewell:Reality has said, okay, yeah, these things, if you're going to imagine it like this, we're going to show it to you. We all of consciousness itself will introduce it back to you and let you see what it is you keep asking us for. And then suddenly, yes, we do see these things. They are here. Some have crash landed.
Glennie Sewell:There were things like that. We've developed things against those. We've done things outside the knowledge of the standard population in order to deal with this. So, this stuff isn't I'm not speaking in nonsense form. Maybe words that others might not use, and I grant that.
Glennie Sewell:Maybe my words are too simple, and I grant that. At least they are when I'm speaking, because I want to speak to a wider audience. And I would want someone to give it to me a little bit simply. I might, on paper, use a bit more complicated language, but not when I'm speaking here. But yes.
AP Strange:Well, I share your frustrations about language because I'm a language obsessive. I love like building my vocabulary and like some of my favorite literature is from the nineteenth century because they were so floored in the way they talked. And old occult tomes are a lot of fun for me to read just because like the language that's used is great. But there comes a point at which the usefulness of heightened language is so deterrent to getting your message across really. I mean, that it actually works against you.
AP Strange:Being direct and straight actually cuts through the static, cuts through the noise and gets to the point. I mean, using categories as human beings, we like to categorize all these different phenomena. Again, you're using more words than you need to describe an event and you end
Glennie Sewell:We're obsessed with categorizing.
AP Strange:Yes. And and you end up in a chicken or the egg scenario where you talk about something happening in pop culture mirroring something that happens later in reality. And somebody might think of that as a precognitive experience on the part of the writers or creators.
Glennie Sewell:And it could be. That's just the thing. Get information the larger humanity or larger sentient humanity, human species, there's certain things we ourselves as a species essentially called for to get it to us through our stories. Some people get it and understand. And I'm talking the larger, greater stories that go on for a long time.
Glennie Sewell:I'm not talking about the darker stories that that but yes, these stories that we create and that we we build off and we go for long periods of time trying to understand certain things and tell ourselves stuff that may be part of a deep history, may be a part of some other human civilization layer that we didn't realize existed from long ago. We've told ourselves stories. We've developed Marvel. We've developed Star Wars. I'm going to name drop.
Glennie Sewell:We've developed Battlestar Galactic of the newer versions of it. We've done all these stories that all hit on the same kind of cultural stories, the same kind of functions that they keep trying to give us a note, almost like we've left information for ourselves in the imaginal, but it leaks out to us every so often to give us back the knowledge that we've we've had all along that that always go back again to that whole Akashic records thing, that that that old quantum spiritual library thing holding all that data and sending it back to us as we're asking for it. It can't it can't be hacked. It can't be stolen. It can only be it can only be given up at the time it's supposed to be given up to us, and it can't come at us in the most obvious format or we'll go completely psycho.
Glennie Sewell:So it sends it to us in the form of stories, in the form of events, in the form of things that are happening to us. And they're not unreal. They are very real. They just it just depends on how you interpret what's going on. And it's just just sitting here talking with you on this is causing me to really have an experience with this information is truly incredible.
AP Strange:It's interrupting your connection to having some actual PK effects on the computer.
Glennie Sewell:Oh, no. I don't know. I'd be amazed if indeed it is.
AP Strange:But yeah, I mean, kind of what I was getting to though is, yeah, it could be precognitive. It could be like, an emanation from another realm or the rippling effects of that, kind of, imaginal, message sending, and it could be, like, a a great number of things, but they could all be true simultaneously as well. There's no reason multiple things can't be true. Yeah.
Glennie Sewell:Absolutely. And I write that. I think I crossed that in one of my notes. Said, well, can two things opposing things as to I'm just using a number. It could be 2,000.
Glennie Sewell:It could be 20,000,000. Can two things sit in the same space, occupy the same space at the same time and both be true? Yes. Absolutely. You know?
Glennie Sewell:And where someone says this person is telling a story, but their story is different because this person told it differently over here. But you don't detect that either one of them is actually lying about it. Sorry, I had to rip a tissue.
AP Strange:But you don't
Glennie Sewell:detect that anybody's actually lying about it. That means two different conceptions are existing in the same space at the same moment, maybe probably likely very much more than just two. And it does not have to mean that either one of them are lying. It does not have to mean that at all. Both individuals can very much believe what it was they saw or interpreted and believe it in the format in which they took it.
Glennie Sewell:It's amazing we still get this whole binary exposure of someone's lying and someone's not. That might be clear in some instances. And I grant that, yes, on the legal when it comes to legal stuff and police work and all that. But still, even with that in courts where two people give, you know, they're describing the same event very, very differently to two things occupying the same space at the same time and both events can be very much true. It's how you analyze the connective tissue between the two descriptions that matter and that how you annotate the two together, which is what I'm essentially doing is annotating the story is annotating the stories given to me and trying to analyze the connective tissues between them to figure out what reality is being projected around each one of those individuals where they will see this person is the one that pulled the gun.
Glennie Sewell:This person said they didn't actually pull a gun, though. And then you get to a point where this person said this person over here pulled a gun because this person over here, you find out that they have a crack on their shoulder over someone of a particular ethnic group. And it was always their assumptions, the way they were raised, that those people always have guns and they always have. So there's this projection in their head that this person must have been armed. So in their mind, they see them to pulling a gun first.
Glennie Sewell:In their mind, it's not saying it's wrong. I'm just saying they projected that image, even though from the person, from the fragment, that sentience who was there did not pull it. They may have had one. Yes. But this other person had all sorts of other information in their own minds to try and project them pulling first, or they didn't pay attention to the other person who also saw the same thing and said, No, that person did not pull a gun.
Glennie Sewell:Because this person here, they might have grown up in a family that had some preconceived notions as well, but they weren't as powerful and they didn't really take on those stories, those negative stories and didn't really grow into those assumptions. And so therefore they're going to project reality differently. They might see it in a form that is a bit more accurate from the point of view of the person who might have had the weapon and where someone came towards them. They projected might it a little more accurately by analyzing that connective tissue between the two stories, between the two people telling one truly believing that or the person pulled one saying they had something in their pocket but they didn't pull it out. There's a little bit of right on each end.
Glennie Sewell:It's just that there's that last part that's left inactive and that's the person who was truly involved in the event who says I didn't pull first or whatever. And this is under the assumption they're not actually lying. Then it's that kind of thing. So even in crime, I watch a lot of crime TV or stuff like that. And I do like crime shows because of having to figure things out, because of having to listen to what someone is saying, because you're having to annotate what someone's saying, even if what they're saying is really ugly and awful.
Glennie Sewell:You can annotate like on news programs, so called news shows and news channels, can annotate what's happening by just two or three words. You can see where they're actually trying to go with the audience and whether they believe it or not, belief notwithstanding, the camera's cut off and a lot of them don't really believe it at all. They're just playing a role and they're projecting that energy out into their viewing audience. So humans are able to constantly manipulate the creative energies of others when others allow that to happen. We all do it and we've all had it happen to us.
Glennie Sewell:So I'm not saying, well, I don't allow that to happen to me. No, that's not true. I'm sure it does. Perhaps it's part of the working mechanism around the imaginal energies, the quantum spiritual energies that we work, that we have to understand, that we use them to manipulate. And we and that even though manipulate is a negative term, we use them to create.
Glennie Sewell:Someone will say, oh, mean manipulate? You mean that's the negative form of creation? Yes. We we we do that too because we we can't you can't knock out the negative. You can only bring it in balance with the positive and create a grace space and create that grace space in between.
Glennie Sewell:And that grace space in between is one of my favorite spaces to be in. Yeah.
AP Strange:Yeah. Now, so, does your background in literature help you with, this kind of narrative unpacking of?
Glennie Sewell:Yes. Yes. Remember because I said I wasn't a psychologist or psychiatrist. Yeah. I Said that my own professional lean is towards literature and towards and towards a media review and things, that sort of thing and writing journals, newspaper writing and stuff like that.
Glennie Sewell:Now, the newspaper part I didn't bring up, but I used to do that, too. Yes, that that I'll reiterate that that does help. Absolutely. It brings it all back to me and it helps me do this synthesis. It's not even an analysis.
Glennie Sewell:It's truly a synthesis. I'm trying to take in the wording and understand it on a sentient level because it's coming from another sentience that another fragment of sentience that gave it to me to hold and to use and in good and in what is that in good conscience in
AP Strange:good faith
Glennie Sewell:and good faith. Thank you. That is exactly the term I was looking for to hold it in good faith. And to me, that has to be made clear. If you're holding this material in good faith and you then then you use it in good faith.
Glennie Sewell:And another reason why personalized data is not collected because you can you can you can abuse that kind abuse that kind of data, ethnicities and names and places it can be abused and knocked out of good faith if the wrong person collects the data. So, and if I am the right person to collect the data, I'm one of millions who might be a right person that can collect it. I don't know who the others are, but I feel like I'm one of those who can collect that and use it without it being abused. I don't want there to be that opportunity. I want there to I want yes, yes, 100% to your question.
Glennie Sewell:My professional layer, you know, in both in I'm sorry, in English and literature and in writing and in in media
AP Strange:review,
Glennie Sewell:my MFA, my MFA in writing this sort of doing this kind of creative work absolutely does help me synthesize this material, not analyze synthesize, which goes deeper than just pulling it out, the words outside of their use, which is what an analysis does. It pulls things outside of their frame. Once you pull something out of its frame and then look at it, it's hard to put it back in. It only works, those words work inside the frame at work in which they were given, inside the experience of the person or people from which it was given to you. If you pull it out and say, let's just analyze it by itself without all that, then you've actually destroyed the entire point of the story if you do that.
Glennie Sewell:So you have to synthesize it and not just not merely an analysis. You have to actually synthesize it, leave it in place and analyze it and synthesize it, pull it in while it's sitting in the exact spot it was given to you, while it's sitting within the framework of the story in which it was given to you.
AP Strange:Yeah. And you know, I feel like within Fortiana paranormal investigation and particularly UFOs or know Sasquatch sightings or something, there is that habit of investigators and writers on the subject to just pull that little piece of the story out and just include that without the synthesis you're talking about. So it becomes a list of dates and places and objects, you know, like.
Glennie Sewell:Right. It becomes a list of material scientific data.
AP Strange:Right.
Glennie Sewell:So that has been pulled out of its framework and pulled out of its out of the ontology it was placed in. It's been pulled completely out of those areas. That's what makes it really kind of sad.
AP Strange:Yeah, I mean, there are uses for that, but for your purposes here, actually coming to an understanding. And I mean, it kind of seems like you're taking the phenomenon described through a lived experience and digging to get to the meat of it, the actual numeral qualities of what that represents and how it compares to others, I guess, right?
Glennie Sewell:Right. Yeah. Right. Being able to claim everything inside that reality, inside that space and make sure that whatever you're talking about references it back to how you were given it. How does this group or this person, how might they see it?
Glennie Sewell:Because that helps to understand reality around them and how it projects around them by understanding their stories from within the space in exist. Which You include that person. You include where where they said they were living at the time. You don't give names and places, but you include those ideas. They were living at home.
Glennie Sewell:They were living with their grandmother. They were with their brothers and sisters. They were adopted and placed in an orphanage when this event happened. You have to have that information. Otherwise, if you don't have the information around it and you're just snatching out the fact that this person saw a hat man standing in the hallway outside their bedroom.
Glennie Sewell:Forget the orphanage. Let's just take the girl and let's just take what she saw or the little boy and what he saw or them, they whatever and say and talk about that hat man. Said, Okay, you've got to place all of that back inside that orphanage again. You've got to place it back in its time and in the moment in which it happened in order to understand the entire thing, synthesize the Otherwise, whole you're taking these functions out, spinning them around separately, analyzing and just mere analyzing them instead of synthesizing the material, which is how I teach literature, by the way. I teach annotation via synthesis.
Glennie Sewell:So that's how I teach that.
AP Strange:Yeah. I mean, it makes a lot of sense. And I appreciate the approach because like I said, we can be a lot of literature, a lot of the Fortean literature and the paranormal literature is a bit devoid of that, You know? It either goes full storytelling or or it's more like Mufon or something collecting just the just the facts, just the data. You know?
Glennie Sewell:Right. And I've got a lot of Charles Fortean stuff or Fortean literature. I got a lot of that collected. But a lot of it is just so crowded together, even by the way it was written in these unending huge blocks of letters that it's very difficult for me to read with my bad eyesight. So, yeah, it's, you know, you have it there.
Glennie Sewell:If people want to come into your library and see if they can look up some 14 literature stuff, they can because I started collecting that kind of stuff before I did my MFA, but I didn't know its name. You know, I didn't know who it was. And then come to find out 14 Literature. Oh, I've been collecting some of this stuff up my entire life since I was a teenager and didn't realize it until I gave it a name when I was doing my MFA. So, yeah.
AP Strange:Yeah. Well, I think I heard you say that a big influence on you is, Catherine Crow. Yes. Nightside of Nature.
Glennie Sewell:Yeah. So, yeah, they got both those volumes and they're just fascinating to read because you you know, not a century before then they were burning anybody, you know, hanging them, burning them at stakes or whatever, calling them witches and everything else. And that's great. And all I'm I'm totally into if someone wants to call me that, I'm all for it. But but but and I'm all about that.
Glennie Sewell:But the thing is, is that back then, those kind of words are being used as a derogatory, a deeply derogatory, hateful, you know, terribly misunderstood Earth energies kind of usage or understanding of what Earth energies are and what and how how our mental and emotional states are used to create and build, which is why I'm attracted to that kind of thing very much. Everything has its negative side, and I'm not talking about the negative side. I understand how that works. I don't necessarily use it because it's not useful to me. But but it's there.
Glennie Sewell:And the only thing one can do is to bring it into balance, as I had stated earlier about negative energies in anything that we do to include all of what I mentioned with the imaginal, even with with with thing not with Wiccan knowledge knowledge. If you really read through it, it almost backs up what's what what we tell ourselves about how reality works. I mean, we make entire stories that we project to ourselves of of of magic and wands and flying around and and fighting, you know, the darkness and doing these things of something I won't mention because the person to or person who created it is not all that great a human being right now in life. But, but we tell ourselves these magical stories, and we understand them, and we respond to them. And I look at the response, the mass response to something, and I and I synthesize and study the mass response and not on a level of psychology in the sense of cold, either cold psychiatry or or detached psychology.
Glennie Sewell:I don't. That's not what I mean. I look at it on a deeper, more social, spiritual manner. Are we evolving towards understanding the creation energies? And by using magical stories and wands and spells and these ideas and accepting it so much to where you get another group of sentience getting upset because larger groups of younger people are accepting those stories now.
Glennie Sewell:Well, I'm looking now then at the younger people who accepted it and at the end, what they became. Did some did some stay within that realm and become creative? Did others get afraid of it and pull back? Did others, you know, become part of our human solution instead of part of the human problem which we've got going on now? How did all that work out and how does it still continue to work out?
Glennie Sewell:And, you know, to me, I like to analyze that this way. Again, the stories about events and anomalous events, I'm being specific towards anomalous events, paranormal events, because I'm focusing the work. Otherwise, you'd be incredibly too broad. Yeah. So I'm focusing it down a path where I could write a, you know, write a Ph.
Glennie Sewell:D. Work over it. And that's part that can be done. And,
AP Strange:well, it seems like it's it seems like it's self perpetuating anyway. It's like a type of inertia where these imaginal waves occur and then manifest themselves in reality. Then the response to that becomes the next imaginal wave in the younger Right.
Glennie Sewell:Yeah. Right. And I think you're right about that. Absolutely. That that's how that that that how that works.
Glennie Sewell:But yeah, I, I'm glad for having been able to talk about this and explain it in a way that, you know, we're not trying to say no matter what you think or believe, we're right. I'm like, it's not really how I'm trying to say that works. Whole right wrong. Remember what I said about the about belief or disbelief, not withstanding or not belief, notwithstanding, doesn't count, doesn't matter in this case because there's so many other mechanisms in place that of experience that that where belief is just a tiny little portion. Things happen to people who don't believe in it.
Glennie Sewell:I said, but there I said, but if something has happened and there is a point in your life somewhere where you question something seriously for a moment, even if you were like, maybe there is something different. Immediately and you thought it seriously. You didn't think it blithely. You thought it seriously. And reality went, okay, you're ready for the next step up for something to happen that you, quote, don't believe in.
Glennie Sewell:Because it didn't matter whether you believed it. If it exists, it's there. If it's coming through, it's there. You know, it won't matter whether you believe in it or not. A lot of people didn't believe in Pluto and then it got discovered, you know, finally.
Glennie Sewell:And it was and it was in front of the very person who discovered it was right in his eyes the whole time, the way he calculated it. No one else wanted to believe it was because they didn't they really it didn't matter to them. They didn't care to understand it one way or the other. Just like when someone says, well, Bigfoot doesn't exist. I'm like, if you really don't care to study it first and go at that information and see whether what you just said, comes out to be more true or less true based on the physical.
Glennie Sewell:In this case, yes, the material physical level is set behind, but there's a lot of non material things that happen to people who are involved in those stories as well. Communications that come to them, through dreaming, things that happen to them, that can't be put in a measuring, you know, can't be put in a beaker and lit on fire in some laboratory somewhere that happens around them when these events happen, be it big for UFOs, parent, you know, the the the ghostly events, psychic impressions that are that are not living ghostly experiences, but recorded events that are recorded into the environment because they were so traumatic, deeply traumatic, or deeply emotional one way or the other. These kinds of things happening where you can't reproduce that in the laboratory. You might be able to reproduce someone. Someone says, Oh, that eerie feel someone gets, it was reproduced in the laboratory.
Glennie Sewell:I'm thinking, But the person who had the eerie feel on that particular paranormal program, you can't reproduce that event. You can only reproduce the physical feeling. You cannot reproduce the event. I said, what you did not reproduce was the event that was causing that for them. All you did was reproduce a chemical reaction from an electromagnetic field nearby that you set up or whatever.
Glennie Sewell:Maybe electromagnetic fields help send messages and create feelings from those who can use that energy. Great. But reproducing it in a laboratory doesn't go all the way with that and it doesn't explain it. I said, yeah, but that reproduction in the laboratory is not what happened over here, You know? Yeah.
Glennie Sewell:You know, so it's that when people come at me like that, I'm like, No material. The material world cannot reproduce a large portion of events that happen in our lives. It can't put it in a laboratory and look at it. And I think there's a good part of that mystery. There's a goodness about that.
Glennie Sewell:When I say goodness, that's a weak word. There's a positiveness about that where it leaves a little bit of mystery for us to dig into on our own. We're not handed some answer on a on a silver platter, you know, on a platinum platter. We're not handed the answers where we have to annotate, where we have to look at something. We have to find that connective tissue.
Glennie Sewell:And that's what makes this lifetime, any lifetime, all of our lifetimes, running together, all across all time space, all dimensions everywhere, all at once. So amazing and so brilliant is that we get to do the work ourselves.
AP Strange:Yeah. Well, well said. I'm not sure where to pivot to from there because that was was quite a great way of putting it all, putting it all into focus, you know?
Glennie Sewell:Well, in speaking to you, it helps. So I give that to you, AP. Thank you.
AP Strange:Okay. Well, yeah, I mean, I feel like, do you consider this co creative aspect to be intrinsic in the concept that we have of sentience itself? Is it a defining characteristic of sentience to have?
Glennie Sewell:Yeah. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off. No. I think that it is a defining part of sentience.
Glennie Sewell:Truly, I do. I think that us being sentient is what allows us to do this. So it's not something we maybe it is something we discovered we could do over time as a species when the time was right for us to have the experiences. But I think we we were having the experiences far, far distant into what we call the past. You know, again, the sanity of time of linear time, insanity of linear time, let's just speak of it in linear terms in the great distant past as ancient humans, and we were having these we were having experiences, and we didn't know how to understand them and we're only on the road to starting to understand them.
Glennie Sewell:But that was the road to understanding our humanity, of going through those events and understanding these energies, which have been around for time immemorial.
AP Strange:Yeah. I mean, that's another chicken and the egg thing too, though. Does does sense can self spring out of the imaginal? Could be.
Glennie Sewell:It makes you wonder if that indeed if the imaginal space is the link between our physical realm and and and the realm of pure consciousness, which might be where we actually, you know, where we actually spring from, where we actually come from. This is just a space we create for playing around in the physical. So then, yeah, one could say because of the lack of words, one could think of the imaginal space as as the springboard for for for consciousness. But if consciousness is an eternal thing, then that imaginal space is too. And also, would mean that physical would have come completely built it, been built off of off of our conscious states, building the physical realm first, then inhabiting it.
Glennie Sewell:You know, talk about building a playroom and then going in there and playing with the toys and hurt them. There are toys where you can hurt yourself, really mess yourself up and get you and a bunch of your friends kicked back to the other side. And then there's a bunch of fun toys in there that that might not do that to you. So Yeah. We we we projected this building this building space, this physical reality.
Glennie Sewell:We live in it, only projecting ourselves into it, really. And then when we snap back to the to to where we where we originate, where our consciousness mass consciousness originates, you know, we give it all sorts of really crazy names like death and all these kind of things. And we assign it all sorts of cultural stories. Some of the stories are fun and interesting. And sometimes we psychosis ourselves so badly with it that we have to pretty much get other conscious fragments to come to us to say, let's snap you back before you go too completely crazy.
Glennie Sewell:However you're going to see it, you're going to see me until you realize I'm something very much different. You know, you might suddenly see me as the grim reaper. I said, well, until you don't anymore. And then suddenly I'm your grandmother. And then suddenly, you know, I'm this beautiful ball of energy and light that you were all along.
Glennie Sewell:I just came to get you. But I had to work through your mental spaces in order to get to you in order and then help you change in order to come with me, that kind of thing. If you're wondering, I wrote I wrote in my creative my creative novel piece for my MFA dealt with that. That's why I was able to go back on that.
AP Strange:No. I saw, though, that wasn't published. Are there other plans to to publish your
Glennie Sewell:work? Do want to publish Guardians of Forever. So, yes, Guardians of Forever Earth Gone, and I do want to publish it and it's going to probably end up being self published because that's just the way to go nowadays. At least I feel that way. I'd standard publishing companies, a lot of them, not all of them.
Glennie Sewell:Some of them are really good, but a number of standard publishing companies are just they just rip you off. Yeah, really. And I really I've got some friends who went through some really good companies. I'm going to try first before doing a self publish, but I am going to do it. I feel like now bringing it forth around the time I'm working on my PhD work is amazing to bring it now because it's almost like it'll be the leaping off point when the story was written to when the research comes out a decade later.
Glennie Sewell:It's like, wait a minute, when did you write the book? I wrote this book a decade back, you know, twelve years back. I started it actually, what year is this? This is So, it's 2011. So, '14.
Glennie Sewell:I started it fourteen years ago, actually. So, as just as a simple short story, it blew up into my work for my MFA, into my creative work. There's the research work and the creative work. But yeah, so amazingly enough, it brings me right back to the creative work that I did where it makes sense why I wrote all of that, you know, and it makes sense why I why I'm making, Okay, all of that is still making sense to me still, you know, and I've held off publishing it because it just didn't feel right in the moment. But it increasingly is starting to feel right.
Glennie Sewell:And I hope never to have to eat these words, but I think humanity has enough time for me to publish it and read it. Right. Yeah. Think least in this version of reality anyway, hopefully.
AP Strange:Yeah. Well, I'd like to read it for sure.
Glennie Sewell:Yeah. Mean,
AP Strange:that's kind of the joy of looking at these things is you see the cyclical nature where sometimes, I don't know if cyclical is the right word, but sometimes something will have to sit on a back burner and you think that, know, well, that's the past, but then it becomes applicable in your in your life at the moment that it's meant to. And you go, Oh, okay, well, it was just meant to come up now. Right. I had it waiting there for this time.
Glennie Sewell:So all I have to do really, really well, I need to do is read it back through one more time. And I got to stop doing that where I'm reading things through one more time, one more time, one more time. I just go ahead and publish it. So I'll finish the I'll finish one more read through and then public and then and then self publish it. So we'll get it done one way or the other, either through a publishing company that's really good at those kind of books or and it'll always just be localized.
Glennie Sewell:It'll sell locally and then it'll sell online. It'll never be, you know, the mass marketing of books sent to stores all over the place. I don't think it'll be that people can get online would be able to get online and find it. Yeah. But yeah.
AP Strange:Yeah. Well, that sounds good. And it deals with, you said the guardians of forever?
Glennie Sewell:Yes. The guardians of forever is not the is not the reference. It was originally called guardians of eternity, but when I looked up the title, it was already taken by another. And so therefore, I had to look up I had to use Guardians of Forever, not the not the Guardian of Forever, which is a Star Trek thing.
AP Strange:Yeah, right. But Guardians of
Glennie Sewell:the Guardians of Forever, the plural has to has to has to do with something very different.
AP Strange:Well, yeah, because this word comes up with your YouTube channel as well and the institute, the messenger.
Glennie Sewell:Yes. And I didn't realize that it came up. I didn't realize that, you know, that these things kept happening. And the, like, messenger guardians, that term kept that term was actually created by another person to help me cofound Messenger Guardians Paranormal back in 2013. And she found that she didn't find it.
Glennie Sewell:She said it. And and I didn't realize that I didn't realize that, you know, a year later when I was writing one of my stories, I would call it Guardians of Forever. Didn't realize that. I was working with a friend a friend many years ago who, you know, where I was, carrying the name Walking Cedar. I was carrying that name.
Glennie Sewell:It's just that he gave me this native name that he gave me, and I carried that. And that name supposedly meant he who carries the message. And and so and then looked at it and I looked way back on that, way back in the nineties when it occurred on and looked at the name of my channel and institute and go messenger messenger cardians, institute and they can that. And I looked at that and went, wow, I just started making the connections and maybe the connections were there psychologically, subconsciously all along. And I just didn't mentally notice it on the surface.
Glennie Sewell:And that's fine. It doesn't make it any less amazing to see it, you know. But it's truly, it's really amazing how many things are connecting in what seemingly looked like small ways to carry the same message, the same name, the same things that I'm doing that it's building on a larger and larger and larger scale.
AP Strange:That's why I find synchronicity to be one of the more interesting phenomena to look at because I think it really it's there giving you a little glimpse behind the veil, a little look behind the curtain as to the machinery going on. Yeah. The synchronicity is always there when you're looking at any of the paranormal stuff, know?
Glennie Sewell:Right. Yeah. Wonderful.
AP Strange:Yeah. Okay. Well, how can my listeners find you online? I direct them to your YouTube?
Glennie Sewell:Absolutely. Direct them to Messenger Guardians Paranormal Investigation Studios. It'll come up. MGP, MGBIS. In it.
Glennie Sewell:I didn't I I re I did recast it as MGI as well. But MGI is the is the institute MGP is is the investigation is even though we came first because MGP came first long ago, and it became MGPIS in like 2020. And then after because of COVID and all the slowdown and then I developed MGP, Mr. Guardians Institute off of that. But MGPIS will sit under MGI because it would be the the MGPIS is the paranormal investigation, wing of MGI.
Glennie Sewell:So it's been subsumed. Even though it created MGI, it will be subsumed by it because the institute where we help train and, you know, low to no cost help train people in there and help bring people in to learn about these kind of things, talk about their stories. If they feel like they have the ability to have certain to do certain things, then we have people who who come in and help them with, medium abilities and all these other all these other things, some sort of creative ability to do a special kind of work. It's just it's it's it's we don't have our business license yet, we're trying to get that. But it's slow.
Glennie Sewell:It's going to start off online likely. We have a physical place in mind. And two or three years ago, we went into talks with them. But I won't I think I told you, but I won't give it up on the over the podcast, but of who we talked to to help us out with it. We but there's a lot of work to be done to the place that we've still that's been selected.
Glennie Sewell:So I don't know how any of that's going to go. Reality is just going to have to take the form it's going to take. Yeah. As long as our intentions are in place, then it'll take the form it needs to take as long as our intentions are in the are in the form that was that are in the good faith form we say they're in. So, yeah, it's a lot of work and it's a path, but I'm still on it and willing to take it even if I have to take it alone, which so far I haven't had to.
Glennie Sewell:But, you know, the way the world is working right now, who knows how things fall down, but hopefully, or fall up for that matter. Neil Donald Walsch said something long ago in conversations with God, I'm going to drop name, name drop. He said, it might have even been the God character that he was using to say this, that when things are falling apart, they're actually falling together. Yeah.
AP Strange:No, that rings true to me. Yeah.
Glennie Sewell:But MessengerGuardiansVermontgmail dot com is also a way to get in contact with us. You'll still find I also have a link. I have my name is Glennie Sewell. I do have a LinkedIn page which also has my Messenger Guardians card on that page. Once this run of cards runs out, I will design a newer and simpler one, hopefully.
Glennie Sewell:But my I have an MGI card. It'll still be a colored MGI on one side and a simplified information backing on the other. So but yeah, that'll be a couple years down the road because I've got a lot of cards. Got a cure. So, yeah, that's it.
Glennie Sewell:I appreciate it. Really, we went well over this one, and I appreciate talking to your group. And I hope I get a chance to get a hold of this so I can. Right. Yeah.
AP Strange:Yeah. Well, I'll I'll definitely keep you on the loop when it posts and, and we should keep in touch because we don't live that far from each other. So
Glennie Sewell:I know we don't. We actually don't. And we have to we have to remember that. So, text me. You've got my phone.
Glennie Sewell:You can text that and we can talk to each other. Okay?
AP Strange:Okay. All right. Beautiful. Thank you very much for coming on, Glennie.
Glennie Sewell:Art AP. I really appreciate it. Thank you.