Entertaining the Ghostly with Kjersti Beth

AP Strange:

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AP Strange:

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AP Strange:

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AP Strange:

And the presentation she did was about the stone tape theory, as you might have guessed from from our lovely sponsor. That was a total coincidence. So Oh, crap. Wow. Oh, no.

AP Strange:

Hold on. Can you hear me still?

Kjersti Beth:

I can hear you. Was waiting, and then I you just stopped.

AP Strange:

Alright. Well, let's take that again. All of my I just got a shitload of notifications all at the same time saying my mic and headphones were disconnected.

Kjersti Beth:

Oh, come on.

AP Strange:

That was weird. I've never seen that before.

Kjersti Beth:

I'm telling you, it's the ghosts in my apartment.

AP Strange:

They're coming through to my house.

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah. Sorry. I should've warned you.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Let's take that again.

Kjersti Beth:

My disclaimer.

AP Strange:

Alright. Let's take that again. Welcome to the show, Kjersti.

Kjersti Beth:

Like, are we for real now?

AP Strange:

We are for real.

Kjersti Beth:

Oh, okay.

AP Strange:

We never stopped recording. It just Oh. I don't I don't know if I should even bother cutting this out. We didn't stop recording. I just got a bunch of error messages that were like, your your mic isn't connected.

AP Strange:

Your your earphones aren't connected. Like, it's weird.

Kjersti Beth:

I'm telling you though, it's something about my house.

AP Strange:

Yeah. So do you live in a haunted house?

Kjersti Beth:

Apparently. No.

KJ:

I'm in

Kjersti Beth:

a I'm in an apartment complex in Madison, but it's just funny because I, you know, I give tours, I travel, so I'm collecting all these oddities and just weird things and haunted dolls and all this shit. And every now and then there's just weird electronic things that go wrong in my apartment. And I'm just like, yeah, it's probably the ghost.

AP Strange:

Yeah. It to reason.

KJ:

Mhmm.

AP Strange:

Does your cat ever react to paranormal influences in the house?

Kjersti Beth:

You know, I'm glad you asked that. He he, a little bit my girls that I had in the past who are now passed on into kitty heaven, they would, like, talk to things in the corner. And, like, I just I'm like, what? There's nothing there. Like, what are you doing?

Kjersti Beth:

And they seemed to see things. My boy cat, I don't know. He's kinda special. So we're we're working on that intuition.

AP Strange:

Wow. Well, maybe he just doesn't care.

Kjersti Beth:

Or he just doesn't care. Yeah. Exactly. He's oblivious. Rather take a nap.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Just watches the ghost go by and goes, yeah. It's another one of those.

Kjersti Beth:

Little big bull.

AP Strange:

Ghost doesn't feed him, so he doesn't care.

Kjersti Beth:

That's true. My cat, he's 20. He is a big boy.

AP Strange:

Oh, wow.

Kjersti Beth:

He is a big cat. He will make a cameo. I'll I'll lift him into the screen so you can see him. Yeah. He's a big doofus.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Listeners won't be able to, but they'll they'll have the knowledge that I got to see a cat, and that will be great. Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

All right.

AP Strange:

Well, so before we get too deep in with a stone tape theory and other things, what, what got you started in the, paranormal? Is it like a lifelong thing for you? Like

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've it was it's always been an open topic of discussion, like, growing up. Like, my my parents, my family are really open about stuff like that. We'd read the scary stories to tell in the dark and, you know, all that awesome '90s terrifying And things that we grew up we turned out fine.

Kjersti Beth:

But they, it was just, it was an open topic and I've had family members that over the years have told me about experiences they've had. And then I started having experiences like kind of around puberty, like 11 and 12, and kind of stopped in college and throughout my 20s and 30s, etcetera, I kind of started getting back into that. And I think the pandemic had a lot to do with re re- what's the word? Like just recovering those, like, times as a kid and those experiences and people I've known. I'm like, I'm really interested in that.

Kjersti Beth:

I could use something to research during the pandemic. And that started the rabbit hole.

AP Strange:

Well, that's pretty great. The the familial collection wow. I can't talk tonight. The familial connection. I think I heard you say in an interview that you saw the ghost of your grandma when you were a kid.

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah. I like to say that I I more so experienced the ghost of my grandmother because it wasn't something that I totally I mean, I could see something, like a distortion, but I didn't, like, see features. But I knew it was her. And, yeah, that's what happened, like, around age 11, 12. And it kinda was like, that was cool.

Kjersti Beth:

That happened. Mom, you know? And that just kinda planted that seed of, like, once you experience something like that, it kind of changes your entire outlook

AP Strange:

moving

Kjersti Beth:

forward in a good way, I think.

AP Strange:

Yeah, I think so too. Cause I mean, had, I had early childhood experiences with it and it just kind of always, it moved, moved by expectations of reality, I guess. Like reality is bigger and weirder than people tell you it is. Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

And that's absurd and it's brilliant at the same time. It's like, wow, that really happened.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Now, do you experience activity while you're giving tours to some of these places in Madison?

Kjersti Beth:

Not yet. I'm trying to think. Something we Oh, I give cemetery tours. And one of There was a time where I was standing by a gravestone talking about a I don't know how to shorten it, but just it was a confederate grave of a we have a confederate cemetery in Madison. And I was talking about the history of something, and I can't remember exactly what I said, but it was something that had a little bit of humor to it, but it was, like, not like, it was more tongue in cheek.

Kjersti Beth:

And as that happened, a walnut, like, dropped on my head.

KJ:

I was like,

Kjersti Beth:

made walnut too. I was like, oh. And I just played it off like, okay. I won't tell this story anymore. You know?

Kjersti Beth:

And it was just weird, like, the timing of that to me. And there's another gravestone that every time we tour it, almost every time, it hasn't been the 100%. It's like 80% of the time, there's always a bird on the tombstone just like chattering at me. And I always like to say, oh, this is Bill. Bill likes to be on the tour.

Kjersti Beth:

And, you know, it's just weird. Like, birds don't land on gravestones and chirp at you, but that grave almost every single time. So sometimes ghosts aren't ghosts. You know? They're just weird synchronicities, I think.

AP Strange:

Oh, yeah. No. I absolutely agree. Because, there's lots of things that I you know, you wouldn't consider it to necessarily be paranormal. And if you tell a story about it, it doesn't necessarily come off that way.

AP Strange:

But the timing is so weird that you're like, well, how do you explain that, though? Like, how do you explain the timing? Like, maybe this bird likes this stone, but why is it always here when we do a tour? Right? Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

Not the other tour guides. It was mine. And so it's just you know? And I I like to think that's a sign, and I like to think that my grandmother still gives me signs or my old cats. Know?

Kjersti Beth:

Like, sometimes I swear I still feel like I'll feel a cat on my bed, And it's not my current cat because my other cat's right here, but I feel something at my feet. Aw. Just think, oh, it's probably one of the old girls stopping by to visit. Like, I don't even care. It doesn't bother me.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Yeah. Ghost cats are kind of cool. My mother had that for the longest time. Her she'd feel her old dog come up and curl up at her feet like he used to.

KJ:

Oh man.

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah. It's so cool.

AP Strange:

Yeah. But, and actually on the topic of birds, my grandmother used to feed the crows at her house and, I always wanted my own crows, but I could never encourage the crows to stick around here.

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah. Same.

AP Strange:

It was like right after my grandmother passed away, I started getting crows in my yard and I started feeding them. And they now they come by like every day. Like I always have crows. Just like

KJ:

That's cool.

AP Strange:

I'm like, these are Graham's crows.

Kjersti Beth:

That's so cool. Do they bring you presents?

AP Strange:

No. I haven't gotten there yet, but I've built a I built up a small murder. I I originally, it was two or three of them, and now there's, like, six that come by every day. And yeah, triple murder. They're always there.

AP Strange:

I'm just happy they come by. And when I go outside, I talk to them and they squawk back at me. Then, you know, I don't care if they give me gifts or not. I just give them food. Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

Oh, I'm so jealous. I've always wanted to befriend a crow. Like that just seems so cool to me. But yeah, the ones in my hood aren't real friendly quite yet. So I hear they like dog food.

Kjersti Beth:

Is that true? Like, do you feed them?

AP Strange:

They like all kinds of things. But yeah, dog or cat food, they'll readily take. I've done that before. And it's nutritious enough for them. Dog treats because my dog is weird and he doesn't like most dog treats.

AP Strange:

And if somebody gives them, sometimes I'll be out somewhere and somebody will give them a couple or give them to me to give to him. And I'm like, I know he won't eat these. So I just bring them home and give them to the cribs.

Kjersti Beth:

That's awesome.

AP Strange:

Well, very picky. He's a tiny he's a tiny guy. He's a little Chihuahua dachshund mix and he doesn't like any of the, like the hard treats. So like the milk bones or anything like that.

Kjersti Beth:

So I think my cat is probably bigger than your dog.

AP Strange:

Well, my cat's bigger than my dog's. Yeah. And she's not even particularly big. She's just fat.

KJ:

Oh my god. Yeah.

AP Strange:

But yeah, I mean, like, that to me, that's kind of a you know, you're talking about your grandmother and your sense of her and also the bird Like, on the that strikes me as the kind of thing where, you know, it could just be a coincidence that the crows started hanging But out around that it's always seemed special to me because it feels like it's my grandmother's crows and that now I'm taking care of them. I

Kjersti Beth:

feel like just trust your instinct. Like, the second I experienced that apparition, that shape, she was turning on the lights and, you know, I just I knew I I think I heard her voice in my head. Like, she's like, I'm here. I'm like, oh, it's grandma. Like

AP Strange:

Right.

Kjersti Beth:

I didn't even think otherwise. Like, of course of course. Okay. That's grandma. That makes sense.

Kjersti Beth:

Like, it didn't occur to me that no. You know, I'm lucky that I could tell my family, and they were just like, oh, yeah. She does that from time to time. I'm like, oh, okay. So that's normal.

Kjersti Beth:

We're just that kind of family. And that's fine. Nothing to be traumatized. It's just grandma, you know? So Right.

AP Strange:

But, yeah, I mean, that's a pretty healthy perspective to grow up with, you know, because a lot of people get very Yeah. A lot of people get very scared very easily. And then even worse, you know, people ascribe kind of a like a demonic influence or something like that and try to make it as and that's where I don't like a lot of the paranormal media or especially on TV, is they really try to amp up the terror factor even when it's, like, not even part of the story, you know.

Kjersti Beth:

Oh, demons drive clicks, you know. I just I don't I don't know. I don't really know. I'm probably kicking myself for saying this, but I don't know if I believe in demons. Like, I I don't know.

Kjersti Beth:

I've never had an experience like that. Not that I welcome it, but at the same time, I don't I don't know. I feel like I'm stronger than that. Or don't know. Conflicted.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Well, that's of how I feel about it. If you're afraid of demons, I think it says more about you than it does about demons.

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah. Right.

AP Strange:

In a way. Right? Like

KJ:

Yeah. Right.

AP Strange:

Yeah. But so I I'm guessing there's no demons in Madison that you know of.

KJ:

I'm guessing, like, I'm going through each other in my head. I

Kjersti Beth:

don't think there's any demons per se. I think a lot of a lot of there's so many haunted places. It's fantastic. But a lot of them, we credit them towards like a mischievous spirit or like a poltergeist y kind of trickster spirit. And it's just interesting to me that, you know, we like to one person, they're scared.

Kjersti Beth:

So it's a demon. It's bad. To the other person, it's just like a trickster. And it's like you kind of get what you come for. If you think that ghost is going to act that way, that's how you're going to interpret it.

Kjersti Beth:

And I just think ghosts are intelligent and And if you go in there and try to stir things up with negative energy, that's what you'll get in return.

AP Strange:

Right.

Kjersti Beth:

It's just not worth it.

AP Strange:

Yeah. I I guess I'm kinda picturing like a a haunted pub spirit type thing. Is is is that part of it? Is it like haunted water worms? Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

Do you hear my Wisconsin accent come out there? I'm like, oh, yeah. We got some haunted pubs here down by the capital. And but, yeah, they're always knocking glasses off the, you know, the shelves and wine bottles exploding and all this stuff. And they're like, oh, it's a demon.

Kjersti Beth:

I'm like Right. Or it's just a a trickster or or it's or it's nothing. It's not intelligent. It's residual. You know?

Kjersti Beth:

Why do we give everything a consciousness? It just is.

AP Strange:

Yeah. No, I absolutely agree with you. I think there's a tendency for people to anthropomorphize whatever entity they're dealing with and project human motivations and consciousness onto it. So then that way you can reconcile it. You can almost like, you know, come to a compromise with it in some way.

AP Strange:

Yeah. I mean, it could just be wild energy that has no motive at all just to exist, you

KJ:

know? Exactly. Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

Exactly. And then it it flickers lights or it shuts a door or something. I mean, yeah, that's a startling event, but I don't find it inherently scary.

AP Strange:

Right. Which is

Kjersti Beth:

probably why I do what I do because I'm wired that way.

AP Strange:

Well, yeah. Okay. So it sounds to me like for your tour, it's not necessarily like you're trying to determine who the ghost is. It's not like, oh, so and so was murdered right over there. And like or but

Kjersti Beth:

There is some element of that. That was really good, by the way. You should be a tour guide. There

KJ:

his his

Kjersti Beth:

storytelling, and some of the stories are spookier than others. And some, I talk about, like I want people, it's not just like, at this house, this happened. At this house, this happened. There's a few stories like that, but then there's a few more where I tell the story, I walk around the audience, I'm very interactive and theatrical and that can make it scary. And so there's a lot of different ways to tell a spooky story.

Kjersti Beth:

I do, I think, every single one of them on my

KJ:

tours. The

Kjersti Beth:

cemetery tours, not as wacky because it's a cemetery.

KJ:

So I

Kjersti Beth:

try to just calm, know, I'm just a little more it's a little more of a vibe. But it's fun. I love giving these tours and telling these stories and hearing other people's stories. A lot of people open up in the tour about an experience they had because it's a safe space to talk about that.

AP Strange:

Yeah. That must be really cool. Because I've heard other tour guides say similar things because it's almost like you can, you can build up a whole repertoire as long as they're comfortable with you sharing the story after they tell it to you. You can build like, and some people have, like I've heard from tour guides that are, you know, they just collect tons and tons of stories and could write a book.

Kjersti Beth:

That's yeah.

AP Strange:

You know? Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

There's one building on my tour that we go to that's it's an it's gorgeous. It's like a castle, like a type of it's just an old, cool, spooky building downtown. And it's still it's the university's geography department currently. Spooky old building. And almost every time I'm telling a story in front of that, someone is coming out of that building like a professor or like a TA is who I got.

Kjersti Beth:

And they'll just kind of linger and then they'll be like, hey, did you know this building's haunted? Because they think I'm just doing like a campus tour or something. And they venture out and they're like, hey, this I'm like, oh, take the mic. Tell us some stories. And so it's really cool.

Kjersti Beth:

People come out and they're like, oh, are you giving a tour? And they'll tell me a story. And I'm like, okay, I'll log that away. And it's it's fun. It's interactive.

Kjersti Beth:

And people are sorry. I'm sitting on a little medicine ball and it's, like, sliding. People are really excited to tell their own stories cause they don't feel like a weirdo. Cause I'm already Well,

AP Strange:

I mean, you have to imagine, a lot of people are probably not often in situations where it's acceptable to really tell like a ghost story. Like at work, they may not feel comfortable like telling their coworkers, you know, or maybe they didn't grow up in a family that was like open about it. So it's like, that might be the first time they ever get a chance to tell the story, you know?

Kjersti Beth:

Well, right. And have to be cognizant of that too, that some people are just like, I'm only here because it's October and that's what I do. I'm reluctant spouse to this person that wanted to do this ghost walk or people are like religious and you know, you just have to kind of be careful with that. But it's like, oh, it's October. It's okay to be a little weird.

Kjersti Beth:

And that's when it's like socially acceptable. So that's when I get big tours and it's a lot of fun. But people still come on tours. I still do tours in the summer. I mean, it's horrible because it's, like, 90 and humid over here.

Kjersti Beth:

I don't know how it is by you.

AP Strange:

Oh, it's about the same. Yeah.

KJ:

Yeah. Between that

Kjersti Beth:

and, like, air quality, I'm like, oh, this is bad idea, but they're smaller groups. And, of course, when it's October and it's, like, 50 degrees, it's just perfect and spooky and dark and

AP Strange:

Yeah. That sounds awesome.

Kjersti Beth:

Whole experience.

AP Strange:

So how often do you hear because I've heard this a bunch where it's like, oh, I've never had any weird experiences. But there was this one time.

KJ:

Right. Yeah.

AP Strange:

And I'm

Kjersti Beth:

like, there you go.

AP Strange:

Right.

Kjersti Beth:

But it's not paranormal. And I'm like, well, then why did you bring it up?

AP Strange:

Right.

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah. It's I don't believe in this stuff, but Yeah. I did see, like, a hat man at the edge of my bed every night when I was a child or something. And I'm like, oh, okay. Tell me more.

KJ:

Right.

Kjersti Beth:

Because that shit terrifies me. Oh, I see. I I did swear.

AP Strange:

Yep. You did.

Kjersti Beth:

Terrifies me.

AP Strange:

Like I must show

KJ:

it out of people. Yeah. If

Kjersti Beth:

I saw a shadow figure at the edge of my bed, I would say shit. But that yeah. I don't know about that stuff. That's that is scary to me. To me, that's not like normal paranormal haunted house.

Kjersti Beth:

Like there's something else going on there. And I don't know. I'm not saying it's demon or evil, but it's just, there's something too strange and like almost alien about it.

AP Strange:

No, You know what I I agree with you. And also I just kind of feel like, shadow people weren't really a thing so much prior to like maybe the late nineties. I feel like that was, I never read about them in, like, old books that I have. It's it's only kind of like in, like coast to like post coast to coast a, phone call type, like, stuff, you know? Excellent.

AP Strange:

Yeah. I'm happy to be, like, corrected if people have, like, pre nineties shadow person stories that were recorded somewhere, but I feel like it's it's kind of like a relatively new phenomenon. I don't know.

Kjersti Beth:

I wonder. Yeah. I don't I never thought about it that way on like a timeline. Yeah. Maybe it and maybe there's something to that.

Kjersti Beth:

Right. That it's like, okay. It's a new version of a ghost or an alien or something. I don't don't know. People that have had it happen, like they just it messes them up.

AP Strange:

Well, I think it must be well, know it is. It's kind of a, it's a symptom of sleep paralysis and and, night terrors, but that I'm not saying that it's just that, you know, I'm not saying that it's just bad dreams or something, but I, there is a, there is an overlap. Like a lot of people that talk about sleep paralysis talk about like shadow people. Did you ever see that documentary about sleep paralysis?

Kjersti Beth:

I'm not sure.

AP Strange:

I think it's just called like a nightmare or the nightmare. It's terrifying. It's really terrifying.

Kjersti Beth:

So if you

KJ:

can play

Kjersti Beth:

form was it on? I'll queue it up.

AP Strange:

I don't know. I watched it, like, years ago, but I think I watched it again later. But it does involve, like, Hat Man and Shadow Man stuff. Yeah. That that stuff definitely scary.

AP Strange:

But I also just kinda feel like the Hat Man is sort of like a classic American archetype, like a cinematic thing, like film noir with like the fedora in the shadows and stuff. Mhmm. It always makes me think of those, like, neighborhood watch signs that were up everywhere when I was a kid.

Kjersti Beth:

They're still out there. I know exactly what you're talking about. That is totally a hat man.

AP Strange:

I know. I'm like

Kjersti Beth:

Red eyes.

AP Strange:

I think the yeah. I think the entity stepped out of those signs and into our public consciousness. That's my idea.

KJ:

What it is.

Kjersti Beth:

It's a thought form.

AP Strange:

Right.

Kjersti Beth:

We conjured it up.

AP Strange:

We conjured it up with generational trauma based on seeing that sign and being like, does that mean that this guy's in the neighborhood watching me?

Kjersti Beth:

He watches me every night in my sleep. No. That's just terrifying. No. Thank you.

Kjersti Beth:

I don't like that at all. Yeah.

AP Strange:

So that's not so that's not part of the tour, I guess.

Kjersti Beth:

No. I don't think so. There's a couple places that have experiences of ghosts that are, like, black outlines of people. They don't explicitly call them shadow figures, but they're like, oh, it's like a ghost and it's black. I'm like, well, what's that then?

Kjersti Beth:

Like, is that a different thing? Is that a different phenomenon? Like, why are some ghosts white? Why are some black? I don't know the answer to that, and I'm fascinated by that.

AP Strange:

Right. And some are just like disembodied voices. That's something I've encountered before. Have gotten that on Have you gotten that on any of your tours or investigations? Just like hearing a voice in No.

Kjersti Beth:

No? I no. No. I've gone on investigations where I've been with people that have good digital recorders and caught EVPs. And that is when you catch an EVP, that is a weird, cool, very emotional experience for me.

Kjersti Beth:

Like I got like emotional about it. I was like, holy shit, this this is real. You know? Right. That usually happened.

AP Strange:

What was the communication? Do you remember a specific example

Kjersti Beth:

There was or one that was I was oh, this was great. This was a big haunted theater South Of Madison, and there was piano, and I was playing the piano. Like, current, not like a big scary abandoned theater, like an active And theater in I'm noodling around on the piano, and then I would pause because we're capturing, you know, and I'd play again. And so when we went back to listen to it, at the end of one of my little noodling around, just like show tunes or whatever, there's a voice that says, I like that song.

KJ:

And I

Kjersti Beth:

was like, hold on. What? Rewind. Rewind. Do we listen to it again?

Kjersti Beth:

She's like, yeah. Like that song. And then after a little bit later, a couple times, play nothing. And then after that, again, they said, there was, bravo or, like, there was, like, a phantom audience. I thought that I just, like, I teared up.

Kjersti Beth:

I was like, thank you. Like to me, and that's where I was thinking, is this residual? But this seemed very intelligent, like talking to me in real time. Like that song that you just played. Okay.

Kjersti Beth:

Right. But the, the bravo and the cheering and the I'm like, well, that could have been a residual imprint from the audiences that used to, excuse me, be in that theater. So it was just puzzling. And I, I loved that. I I left having way more questions than answers, but that's part of the experience.

AP Strange:

Right.

Kjersti Beth:

Rambling.

AP Strange:

Because no. No. That's great. Because it raises so many questions and I tend to think these things aren't so cut and dry, but, you know, classically, we have our residual hauntings that aren't supposed to be interactive. We have the poltergeist stuff and then we have kind of like interactive earthbound spirits.

AP Strange:

And but I think that the you know, I don't think it's so cut and dry. I think sometimes it's a combination of things. And I think music and frequency and tonality can cut through that on some level. Almost like a time travel.

Kjersti Beth:

There's power in music. I've that's anytime there was music involved in any investigation I've been in has given like the most compelling evidence, I would say.

AP Strange:

Right. Yeah. But, I mean, suppose you're playing a show tune on a piano and, it's like a shortcut to a time when that play was produced at that theater. And maybe you just hear an echo from that time.

Kjersti Beth:

Right. Either way, it's awesome. Like, either way, if it's did all fine. If it's not fine, both of that that's like freaking amazing.

AP Strange:

Like Right. It is really cool though, like audience applause, like imagining that there was a whole theater full of ghosts, like applauding.

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah. Oh, and we had like those little cat balls, like we had like those ghost devices on some of the chairs and they would randomly just light up. Like there were people sitting there clapping. It was the, and it was great because the company that hired us to do this investigate, well not hire, but like, please come investigate this. They they were scared.

Kjersti Beth:

They were, like, legitimate business owners. And they're like, we think our theater's haunted, it's weird, and we're scared of it. And, you know, who you gonna call? What are you gonna do? Mhmm.

AP Strange:

And

Kjersti Beth:

so they riled up a bunch of the pros and they asked for my help. And I'm like, yeah, okay, on my way. And it's not glamorous in the moment at all. But then you go back and look through this evidence and you find these things that are so compelling. It's like, wow.

Kjersti Beth:

That's amazing. And the people then they feel validated. They're like, okay. So we're not crazy. I'm like, no.

Kjersti Beth:

You just got some ghosts. It's fine. Phantom audience. Like, they're not gonna hurt you.

AP Strange:

Right. Did you manage to make them feel okay about it?

Kjersti Beth:

I think so. They, they didn't really want any of the evidence, like, ever shown. You know, they kinda wanted it like, they kept it internally, and they didn't want me to ever tell anybody the name of the theater, which I'm not. But it was, it was just kinda neat to be kind of part of this, like, secret investigation where they're like, we're scared and we don't know what to do. So can you just tell us we're not crazy?

Kjersti Beth:

We're like, no. You're not crazy.

AP Strange:

Right. Maybe it's awesome. You ever had a business owner try to get you to confirm that a place is haunted when it's not? Just because

Kjersti Beth:

I know I haven't.

AP Strange:

I have heard stories like that because it's kind of like well, it's kinda trendy now to to market things as being haunted if you can. Like, I've heard of businesses, like, inviting people in and be like, I I don't care what it is you actually find. Can you just say it was haunted? Because, like,

KJ:

that makes

Kjersti Beth:

you know? That's funny. No. I've never had that happen. Not yet.

AP Strange:

Well, I don't know. Maybe it's trendier in Massachusetts to be haunted than

KJ:

it is out there. Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

You guys don't you have Salem up there? You got, like, major spooky stuff up there.

AP Strange:

Yeah. We got Salem and, Boston has, I think, like, one of the oldest bars in the country and that's supposed to be haunted. So there's Yeah. Yep. Boston's pretty cool.

AP Strange:

It's the most frustrating place in the universe to drive in. But other than that

Kjersti Beth:

True. Yeah, I definitely, I want to visit Boston and I want to visit I haven't been, I've never been there. So lots of cool history there.

AP Strange:

Yeah. There's lots to like about New England. I've lived in Massachusetts my whole life and, I did live in Salem for a short period of time.

KJ:

But,

AP Strange:

and I still go there periodically, but, yeah, everything out here feels a little bit spooky depending, you know, when you're out and about and you go to different places. There's it always feels like something could be haunted. The house I grew up in definitely felt haunted.

Kjersti Beth:

Oh, was it like a historic house?

AP Strange:

It was the oldest house in the town I grew up in that was still standing. So it was built in 1779.

Kjersti Beth:

Oh, yeah. That's old.

AP Strange:

That's old for The US. But when you're in when you're in Salem, places have historical markers that say like it was built in like '25, 1640 or something like that because That

Kjersti Beth:

is just amazing. We don't have that in Wisconsin.

AP Strange:

Right. Those old shipping towns, I mean, those were some of the first places built. It was right on the coast. So yeah. I mean Salem was a major port.

AP Strange:

So yeah. Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

I, I spent a lot of time in Gettysburg and in Maryland too. And I'm just, yeah, it's so amazing to see some of the history and just like Revolutionary War relics and stories. And it's just yeah. It's like, we don't have that in Wisconsin. It's not I mean, we have different we have really cool indigenous, like old like, have mounds and we have that, but we don't have, like, spooky old cemeteries.

AP Strange:

Right.

Kjersti Beth:

Well, I guess that's what a mound is, but you know what I'm saying.

AP Strange:

Well, some of them are habitations. Right? Some of the indigenous mounds. Yeah. Yeah.

AP Strange:

So

Kjersti Beth:

Basque land. We have, oh, I can't remember the other ones up north. But There's a lot of indigenous and it's it's really neat. And I've experienced kind of haunted forests before. And I'm like, wow.

Kjersti Beth:

This is just magic.

AP Strange:

Very interesting.

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah. We

AP Strange:

do have some of that, especially like the Bridgewater Triangle has a lot of lore having to do with King Philip's war and stuff like that.

Kjersti Beth:

I've heard of that. Cool. Yeah. That's right.

KJ:

Yeah.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Yeah. But I'm just imagining because I shout out to my overseas listeners because I have a lot of people in Europe listening that I'm like, they're probably laughing about what we consider old over here.

KJ:

Right. Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

We don't have castles and, you know, catacombs.

KJ:

Yeah. That's kinda why

Kjersti Beth:

I like doing what I do and exploring. It's just like, this is my archaeology. Okay? Like

KJ:

Right. This this

Kjersti Beth:

is all as it gets in Wisconsin.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think Wisconsin, it has been having a moment for the last little while, I think, because I I I feel like I'm hearing more more stories from there these days than I ever used to.

Kjersti Beth:

That's good.

AP Strange:

Yeah. So

Kjersti Beth:

That's really good.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Yeah. That's it's cool. But since we did mention this before the recording, so it might as well bring it up now. I think part of it is because of Linda Godfrey, and the Beast of Bray Road and that stuff.

AP Strange:

But you actually camped near there?

Kjersti Beth:

I did. Oh my gosh. There was like a little camping party and nighttime is spooky. And it was the owner, his name, oh god, Leon? Leo or Leon?

Kjersti Beth:

Has a farm there. And it was like a friend of a friend of a friend had told me about this. And so we all went and we investigated and we sat by, you know, roasted marshmallows. And we watched, the Small Town Monsters episode. Well, one of several actually about the Beastie Brae Road.

Kjersti Beth:

And it was just a fun time. Nothing really, like, happened that I

AP Strange:

remember or

Kjersti Beth:

am aware of, but it was just kind of a neat thing to do. And it was it was spooky. Like, you sleep with one eye open and you're like, what if? You know?

AP Strange:

Yeah. Do you have any thoughts on the Dog Man or theories about, like, Beach Of Bray Road?

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah. I I don't know. I don't I don't know enough about it to, like, do a deep dive of you know, I I I think it's possible. I just I think we should just believe people that have these experiences. I mean, there's but why do we think that that couldn't happen?

Kjersti Beth:

Why do we think whether it's just a freakishly big wolf or something interdimensional, put it all out there. Like, let's study it. Let's question it. I don't doubt he had those experiences. He was showing me his photo albums.

Kjersti Beth:

It was amazing. There was,

AP Strange:

like Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

Footprints that just vanished in the snow. And it was like, what? What? How do you explain that? And he's just so thrilled by it.

Kjersti Beth:

It was a really cool experience.

AP Strange:

Yeah. It's well, I mean, I got the impression reading your paper that you're open to all kinds of interpretations and I find that refreshing because, I feel like a lot of people kind of get bogged down in one particular field and just judging by like the sources you cited, I'm like, wow, she's all over the place. She's got parapsychology and kind of UFO stuff and like

Kjersti Beth:

Thank you.

AP Strange:

Thank you

Kjersti Beth:

for reading the work cited. That is always my favorite place to look at when people write papers like that. I'm like, okay. What did you read?

AP Strange:

Right. Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah. Thank you. I feel like I had the longest bibliography in the entire book, but that's just that's how I research. I want every angle. I wanna tackle this from every weird and not weird angle I can.

AP Strange:

Right. Yeah. Absolutely. So, what what drew you to the, Stone Tape Theory to do as a presentation? Because I think you even mentioned on the Instagram post about it that, there were two other Stone Tape presentations at the same So it's like stone tape theory is having a moment.

AP Strange:

What

KJ:

was it then?

Kjersti Beth:

It was all different. Point counterpoint kind of one that was more place memory stone tape. And it was like, oh, this is so cool. And so what got what? That's a great question.

Kjersti Beth:

I should have actually prepared. Why can't be interested in stone tape theory?

AP Strange:

I know. A while ago at this point. So Well,

Kjersti Beth:

I know. Right? I wrote that paper years before it was even, like, pitched. I've just kept adding to it. I'm gonna write another paper.

Kjersti Beth:

I'm gonna be like Stone Tape Theory two, and I'm gonna write a sequel because I've learned even more stuff. And so I think what primarily drew me in was visiting Gettysburg. I mean, went there. That was the first place I took a vacation to after the world opened in 2021, and it was safe to travel again. I was like, I'm going on a spooky vacation.

Kjersti Beth:

I've always loved Gettysburg. I don't know. I've just always been drawn to it. My dad was a big civil war buff, so maybe there was some influence there. But I'm like, well, I'm just gonna go.

Kjersti Beth:

And it's one of the most haunted places in the country and blah blah blah. So I thought, okay, well, let's just go right in. Like, let's just go for it. The weirdest, scariest place you could go. Let's go.

Kjersti Beth:

And as I was learning about the ghosts and going on ghost walks and, like, doing my own investigations and talking to people and reading, I I started learning about these imprints of soldiers that people have seen. I have a couple friends now because I go there, like, all the time. I've been there, like, six or seven times. And so I started making local friends that tell me. They're like, yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

I just saw a whole group of soldiers behind my house walk into the tree line and disappear yesterday morning. And I'm like, oh, so that's just like a normal day in Gettysburg. And he says, yeah. He's like, it's like flesh and blood. Like, I just saw them go, and then they vanished into the tree line.

Kjersti Beth:

It's just it's spitting out these images of things that happened there so long ago. And so I think that kinda led me down residual, that's an interesting theory. And

KJ:

Mhmm.

Kjersti Beth:

Learning more about Stone Tape and then watching that movie and going, oh my gosh. This was so brilliant for its time in the seventies. What And does So it yeah, that's long answer to that.

AP Strange:

Yeah. It's something I always found fascinating because I was unfamiliar with the movie for the longest time. And, like, you know, coming around to learning, oh wait, Like, this whole theory of the paranormal came from a fiction movie, like, English movie by Nigel Neal. That's actually super interesting.

Kjersti Beth:

Two. Well, I mean, people have talked about residual hauntings before then. And I what's his name? TC Lethbridge. I cited him in my story.

Kjersti Beth:

I cited him He in my was in 1963. He called them static television images. That's how he described ghosts. And I was like, that is a cool way to because it's 1963. Like, you have to like, how do you describe something using the technology of the time?

Kjersti Beth:

Right. And he saw ghosts as like dots, like pixelated, but he didn't use that word because that word So didn't it's just been cool to see how how generations of us are experiencing the same thing, but calling it just something different.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Well, I always think that the most relevant technology at the time often becomes like an example that people refer to. Because if you look at cyclical research back in the thirties or into the forties, like, they, they think about it in terms of radio waves because radio is still new. And then prior to that, they think of it in terms of like radar and like Doppler Doppler effects and stuff because that was the new technology. Like

Kjersti Beth:

Right. So that's why I'm thinking my stone tape to paper. Don't steal that title, by the way. Like, we're in a digital age now. Right?

Kjersti Beth:

Like, do we need to catch up? Like, how would you explain a ghost to someone? Like, it's like a hologram. Well, that's a technology. But you see a hologram, that's a ghost.

Kjersti Beth:

Like, that's what you see when you've seen a ghost. One that's not like flesh and blood, but flesh and blood. And Well It's funny that people say they've never seen a ghost. I'm like, how do you know you haven't?

AP Strange:

Right. Well

Kjersti Beth:

I've seen soldiers in Gettysburg, they're not really there. And I know they're there, but they're not there.

AP Strange:

That is a weird experience.

Kjersti Beth:

It's unsettling, and I love it.

AP Strange:

Right. Well, especially because, like you say, you could be walking by ghosts on the street all the time, and if they look human enough, like nobody even notices.

KJ:

You're never gonna

Kjersti Beth:

know. I could be a ghost right now and you don't know it.

AP Strange:

That's true. I could have just been interviewing a ghost this whole time. I'll just go back to listen to the recording. It'll just be me talking to nobody for Oh

Kjersti Beth:

my God. Yes.

AP Strange:

Now that sounds like a good Twilight Zone sort of

Kjersti Beth:

Actually it does sound like a good episode of something. Yeah.

KJ:

Right.

AP Strange:

But well, I mean, as far as the stone tape goes though, I think Nigel Neal was the originator of the idea that the stone itself is recording and playing back the, the stuff or the images or the scenery or whatever the recording. So, Oh, and to the technological point, I feel like nowadays people just say like glitches in the matrix they're talking about all manner of paranormal things. So they are kind of talking about it in like a holographic computerized sense, which is

Kjersti Beth:

It's true. It's interesting that we all kind of have the same concept of that. We're like, oh, that makes sense when you I was trying to I was explaining Sontae theory to someone, and I I referenced that it's like a fossil. It's like, it's not something that's physically there, but it left an imprint in the environment permanently. And it formed because conditions were precise.

Kjersti Beth:

I don't quite understand what they are, but it formed that. And it's like a fossil. He's like, oh, okay. I get it. And I was like, yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

It's very abstract and weird, but the more ghost stories I learn and the more experiences I have, I'm like, gosh. Like, I think a lot of hauntings could be residual and people attributed a consciousness to it, but it's it's just something playing on loop. It's not aware of you. Just seems most or less scary than to me, I guess.

KJ:

Right. Yeah.

AP Strange:

And who knows what variables are in place to like instigate that. Right? Like there's no way to really know, but as you mentioned in your paper, like, the human body also gives off fields that we can't like see, you know? So maybe it's true. Right.

AP Strange:

So some variable of the correct energy and the correct environment at the correct time can maybe replay something that used to be there.

Kjersti Beth:

It doesn't seem that not plausible to me. Like, just after reading about the power of the human body and just how we're made of energy and we have electricity in our body and we have all these things that when somehow these conditions are right, whether it's, you know, the time of day or the humidity or it's some I kind of think that there might be some what's the word I'm looking for? Like, meteor meteorological.

KJ:

Mhmm.

Kjersti Beth:

Like, I feel like the weather and paranormal seem to have a weird relationship. Some of the most profound evidence I've caught or things that have happened have been during, like we did an investigation in a haunted mansion on the summer solstice. It was a full moon as it was midnight, and it was a tornado watch. Like, it was just like, the energy, it was on fire. And it's interesting to me that people that really are into thunderstorms seem to really be into the paranormal.

AP Strange:

Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

You ever thought about that? Because I'm like, there's something to it. There's something I'm

KJ:

thinking about it now. Yeah.

AP Strange:

Well, because I just became aware, like, I'm you know, my wife never really mentioned it to me too much, but she said the other day that thunderstorms make her nervous. So I was like, I didn't really know that about you because she doesn't act super, like she doesn't she's not, like, scared, you know, but she's not, like, hiding under a blanket. But she gets a little on edge. And it makes her on edge when the animals get freaked out by the storm. But I love a thunderstorm.

AP Strange:

If I can feel like I do too. This is so cool. Like, just wanna go

Kjersti Beth:

out on the porch and I'm, like, staring up at this you know? And the sirens are going off. And it's only because I have a cat that I'm like, okay. I should probably go in the basement and be responsible. But when I don't have cats, I'm outside just sitting on the porch watching the tornado roll in.

Kjersti Beth:

Like, that's what we do in Wisconsin. But I get the there's this static. There's this energy in the air that I'm just like, maybe some people are afraid of it, but I I embrace it. I mean, it's spooky. I'm like, okay, it's time to go in.

Kjersti Beth:

It's raining sideways, Kj, get inside. But there's an adrenaline to it.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Well, tornadoes are relatively rare here. Usually it's just a severe thunderstorm if anything. So but, yeah, if it was an actual tornado, I'd be I'd be a little bit more on edge. I have been through them before.

AP Strange:

Actually, in Gettysburg when I was a kid. My family

Kjersti Beth:

and Oh, I really?

AP Strange:

Were camping down there and a tornado came through.

KJ:

Oh, good. Yeah. Dang.

AP Strange:

Yeah. But yeah. No, I absolutely think that weather and paranormal stuff is related. It's actually one of the one of the things I really enjoy looking into is weather magic and people that can claim to affect the weather with psychokinesis.

Kjersti Beth:

I had a friend in high school that claimed to do that. That was weird. I know what you mean though.

AP Strange:

Yeah. I I I definitely think that weather systems well, I mean, I'm not even open to the idea that weather systems themselves have a form of consciousness.

Kjersti Beth:

Oh, I just thought of another paper I should send you. Have you ever heard have you ever heard of the Dieatlav Pass Incident from, like, 1952? Yep. Oh my gosh. I should have submitted that.

Kjersti Beth:

Sorry. I'm having a mental I'm having a brain storm. That should be my next research paper. I actually have a research paper on this. I'm obsessed with that case.

Kjersti Beth:

And I think it could have been a weather phenomenon. Like, they walked right into some weird catabolic wind, aurora borealis type of shit, and it just they exploded or imploded. Weird. That's they're yeah. I I should I should send you my paper, you should read it.

Kjersti Beth:

And then we could talk again about it. But, like Right. Stories on that incident.

AP Strange:

Fascinating. What about the Tunguska event, though? Have you ever looked into that?

Kjersti Beth:

Is that in the same mountain range? Is that the people that were, like, bleeding from their eyes?

AP Strange:

The Tunguska was just like a gigantic explosion, I think, the 19 at some point.

Kjersti Beth:

No. No. I haven't heard about this.

AP Strange:

Oh, okay. Yeah. Look at look that up because Okay. There's lot of crazy theories about it. Like, some people think that, like, Nikola Tesla invented a death ray and it caused an explosion halfway around the world.

AP Strange:

But I think I think the real explain or the accepted explanation is that it was like a meteorite a meteorite that exploded in the lower atmosphere and it, like, leveled this whole huge area.

Kjersti Beth:

Wow. No. I haven't heard of that. There was another story about some sort of, like, infrasound or sonic, like an auditory type of thing that just caused these people in the mountains just to, like, collapse to the ground they were hiking and, like, they were bleeding out of their eyes. There was some, like, weird and it was in the same mountain range that the Dyatlo hikers perished.

KJ:

So that's what I

Kjersti Beth:

thought you were talking about. There's just weirdness in those mountains and nobody knows what it is.

AP Strange:

I think mountains are just weird.

KJ:

Yeah. Yeah.

AP Strange:

I love them. I got I'll climb a mountain just about any time, but they're they are weird. That's one thing you should see. If if you come to New England, you should see the the any of the Rocky Mountains that we have up here because they are not rocky. What am I talking about?

AP Strange:

The Appalachian Mountains in New England because they are old, man. It's like I've read a there was like a meme sort of thing that went around at one point about how the Appalachian Range formed at a time when there wasn't even vertebrate organisms. So the mountains themselves are older than bones. I'm like, that

Kjersti Beth:

That's is awesome. I love that. The mountains are older than bones.

KJ:

That's some

Kjersti Beth:

poetic shit right there. Yeah.

AP Strange:

Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah. There's so many store oh my god. Like, the missing four one one stuff and people that go disappearing in the mountains. Like, I mean, some of it, I'm sure, is, like, foul play or just a tragic accident. Some of that stuff, they cannot explain.

Kjersti Beth:

And these people disappear, and then they reappear, like, four miles away, and they don't remember what happened. Like, there's just so many weird stories about mountains and missing time and people disappearing that it's like, what's going on in there? Right.

AP Strange:

Well, the first time I drove through the Berkshires in Western Mass, like I was intimidated by the size of those mountains because the highway runs right through them. And it like, I got the sense of foreboding just looking at them. Because I'm like, if your car broke down and you just started walking, like, due west that way, you could just disappear into those trees and no one would ever see you again. Like Yeah. That was weird sense I got.

AP Strange:

Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

Wow. Yeah. Yeah. It's scary. It's dense out there.

Kjersti Beth:

Wow.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Western Mass out near the New York border is is that's it's just woods.

KJ:

That's all it is.

Kjersti Beth:

That's so cool that that still remains. You know? Hang on to that. Right. Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

Cool.

AP Strange:

Yeah. I'm sure Wisconsin has things like that. Right?

Kjersti Beth:

No. We don't have mountains.

AP Strange:

No. I mean, just wooded areas.

Kjersti Beth:

We have oh, yeah. We have, like, the Northwoods. I don't you know what? Okay. I I know it's pretend this is Wisconsin.

Kjersti Beth:

Right? You know? Like, my hand is Wisconsin. I'm down here. I don't know what anything is like this half

KJ:

of Wisconsin.

Kjersti Beth:

I've lived here It my whole is just woods. It is weird Northwoods, Sasquatch kind of stuff going on up there. I have no idea where anything is up there. But we have so we have the Northwoods. We've got a lot of lakes, and we've got, we've got sand dunes over in the Door County area, so that's kind of random.

KJ:

Right.

Kjersti Beth:

But Yeah.

AP Strange:

I had a guest on at one point talking about the Driftless region, which sounded kind of interesting.

Kjersti Beth:

Oh, yeah. That's kinda spooky. That's on the other side of the state. Who are you talking to? Who's that?

AP Strange:

Walker Yarrow. He has a Okay. Website called Driftless Times Media.

Kjersti Beth:

I wrote an essay for him. I know who that is. Small world.

KJ:

I just

Kjersti Beth:

had to find out.

KJ:

Yeah. Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah. We're friends on the Instagrams. Yes.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Yeah. He's he wicked nice guy. I I really enjoyed talking to him. Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah. That's spooky area.

AP Strange:

But that's what I mean. It's like Wisconsin's having a moment because I keep discovering new people from Wisconsin.

Kjersti Beth:

Oh, good. You know, the algorithm is in your favor.

KJ:

Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

Oh, I can introduce you to a lot of weirdos in Wisconsin, like, after we talk, like, if some accounts you should follow if you're interested in that. We've got some

AP Strange:

Sweet.

Kjersti Beth:

We're all friends. Like, it's a small scene and everybody knows each other. So

AP Strange:

Yeah. I should go out there someday and, look look around and have a look around and eat eat some cheese and Right. I'm a big fan of cheese. So Alright. Well, so you did mention earlier though, forest ghosts.

AP Strange:

So so do you you think that there's a way of imprinting the same kind of energy you're talking about with stone, like in a forest, like a memory of of things that might be held by the trees and the well, I tend to think plants are conscious too. So sometimes I think this stuff is emanations of plant consciousness.

Kjersti Beth:

Well, yeah, I'm starting to think that too. I watched a fascinating documentary on fungi and like all the networks under the trees. I didn't know any of that shit. I'm like, what?

AP Strange:

How come remember learning

Kjersti Beth:

that in school? Like just the communication, the connection in trees, and there is definitely some sort of a there is a source field or something in some of these forests where it's like one forest has one vibe, another forest has another vibe. And, like, they just feel alive. And don't Yeah, I would think I'm just I'm trying to think of how it would imprint because nobody really knows for sure. I mean, it's all theory, but why not?

Kjersti Beth:

Why excuse me. Mean, there's rock. There's all this organic matter in the forest, and it's all like all those frequencies can intermingle. And I definitely sorry, my cat's being very annoying right now. I definitely think that there is some untapped energy that we don't totally understand in forests, in certain forests, and the indigenous people do.

Kjersti Beth:

And I'm thankful that in Wisconsin, we have so much preserved, we have so many of these amazing areas that are just all natural. And I think it harbors just an ancient energy. There's just it's hard to explain

KJ:

when

Kjersti Beth:

you feel it, but you feel it.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Yeah. I I I'd like to think that I'd like to think that that is a thing and that there's there's a certain wild energy and spirit of place that can exist that that we haven't messed up yet, you know. Like, some of these places can just remain, you know. And that that's kind of awesome to me.

AP Strange:

Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

It is. It's a very it's it's a humbling feeling.

AP Strange:

Right. But it kinda raises the question that if there's a ghost in the forest but no one's around to see it, does it even say boo?

KJ:

Oh, oh, no.

Kjersti Beth:

Do you know the history of the word boo, by the way? Do you know why we say boo?

AP Strange:

I do not. So I'm happy to learn.

Kjersti Beth:

This isn't like a bad joke. Like, this is, like, real. Because I really No.

AP Strange:

I could tell that you're you're about to drop some college, and I I'm here for it. So

Kjersti Beth:

It's I'm gonna butcher this, but it's like a lat it's like a play on the old Latin word bow. Like bow, but I don't know how they spelled spelled it. Like, I don't know. It was b o or just I don't know. I don't know Latin, but it was bow, and bow meant I am shouting.

Kjersti Beth:

Like, that was the way to say, bow, I am shouting.

AP Strange:

And

Kjersti Beth:

so I guess when you say boo to someone, you're just saying, I am shouting. And that's the story of boo is that it's just another verb for I am shouting.

AP Strange:

Okay. I

Kjersti Beth:

don't know. It's look it up. Go Google.

AP Strange:

Very scary.

Kjersti Beth:

That's convincing. Yeah. That yeah. I know. Right?

Kjersti Beth:

That just kinda takes the whole, like, zing out of it.

KJ:

But Right.

Kjersti Beth:

Again, it's just weird stories, and it's like this game of telephone that people just keep talking about over generations. And pretty soon it's just normal. Oh yeah. You know that old story. And it's like, well, how did that story come to be?

Kjersti Beth:

You know?

AP Strange:

Well, you mentioned a game of telephone, but the actual telephone is the reason we have the word hello. That wasn't used as a greeting until phones came around.

Kjersti Beth:

That's true. Wow.

AP Strange:

Yeah. We're we're we're getting real stream of consciousness at this point.

Kjersti Beth:

I know. I'm like, wow. I gotta think about that one. I'm like, what other useless information do I have?

AP Strange:

Right. Well alright. Alright. So given like energy and stuff, well, sounds real, real smart. Energy and stuff, man.

AP Strange:

But we're talking about like, energetic imprints and things. But when when it comes to EVPs and electronics or, voices of the dead on the phone, I I feel like that might use the same kind of, mechanism that you talk about with the stone tape and stone recordings and and like the fossilized moment in time, right?

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah. Yeah. There's something to that energy that just because energy can never be created or destroyed, right? It can only change from one form to another. And so it's like, not?

Kjersti Beth:

And whether that's a conscious spirit or just a residual imprint that found the right medium through which to manifest, that can be a very real experience and that can be very emotional or traumatic even. You know, if you're and and that's what's interesting is, like, what is the mechanism that releases that energy into the environment and also records it and spits it back out? And it tends to be, like, battlefields, like Gettysburg. That's why it's it's so haunted. I mean, fifty thousand people died there in three days, and they left their bodies out there.

Kjersti Beth:

I mean, it is trauma. It is emotion. It is fear. It's adrenaline. Like, that just doesn't go anywhere.

Kjersti Beth:

I think it just pushes back out into the environment when maybe the right person is nearby that can experience it, or it's just whether it it could be just be an alignment of the the temperature that day, or it's just like the same conditions that it was originally recorded. Could it just be spat back out in some place?

AP Strange:

Yeah. And I I, you know, I wonder if it can be excited by things like, the reenactors and stuff like that. There's like a sympathetic strand that cuts through that dimension of time and connects it to that moment for sure. Alright. So for listeners for listeners, there's now a cat in the chat, and he's big.

Kjersti Beth:

Just likes to be held like a baby. And Yeah. So carry on.

AP Strange:

Looks heavy.

KJ:

It's like a raccoon.

Kjersti Beth:

It's like living with a raccoon. He's huge.

AP Strange:

What's his name?

Kjersti Beth:

Charlie.

AP Strange:

Oh, okay. Charlie. What a nice boy. Nothing? You got nothing?

AP Strange:

You wanna say hi? Opinions. Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

Oh, we're good. I can do this all day.

AP Strange:

I know I thought my cat was gonna come up, but she wandered over and then wandered away again. So I don't know what she's up to.

Kjersti Beth:

Charlie wants to be part of this conversation.

AP Strange:

That's fair.

Kjersti Beth:

But yeah.

KJ:

I've been

Kjersti Beth:

wanting to I try to go back I'm going to Gettysburg, I think, again in November because I wanna do some more research. And I haven't been there in the fall. It's weird. I've only ever gone in, like, the spring and, like, late summer. So I kinda wanna experience well, yeah, I guess last summer was August, but I wanna experience a different vibe.

Kjersti Beth:

I wanna experience a different energy at Gettysburg.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Because it does get hot in Gettysburg in the summer. Yeah. It wasn't so bad in August last year. I was anticipating some real oppressive heat, but it wasn't too bad while while we were there.

Kjersti Beth:

No. No.

AP Strange:

I imagine fall is really nice though.

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah. That's that's and that's that's just and the tours they give there are incredible. The tour guides there, I mean, that's like a dream job. Maybe I'll do that when I retire. Maybe get these ghost tours.

Kjersti Beth:

But those people, like, well, they're good. Like, they've lived there their whole life, and they dress up in costumes and they stay in character. It is phenomenal. You can tell they love what they do. And it's just a neat little spooky town.

Kjersti Beth:

And I I'm really glad I've been able I've been fortunate that I've been able to get out there and be able to research research and experience things and capture things. It's just it's wild. And, yeah, I think just with I've experienced plenty of hauntings that are I don't they're that aren't stone tape theory. Like, they're very conscious. They're very real.

Kjersti Beth:

But that residualness is interesting to me because I see it as, like, a science that we just haven't figured out yet.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

And that's not to dismiss it by any means. That's fascinating. Are you kidding me? It's like a mirage. I mean, you've seen mirages, and that's not paranormal.

Kjersti Beth:

You've seen a like an opera singer shatter a glass. That's not paranormal.

AP Strange:

Yeah. That is a great example that you used in the paper. Yeah. That, like, you can affect things with just energy and vibration. And

Kjersti Beth:

It's acoustic levitation. That's a whole thing too. Acoustic manipulation. It's like, eventually, we figured out the science behind it. So I think there could someday, it maybe it could be explained and maybe we can control it.

Kjersti Beth:

Maybe we can, I don't know, command it? Like, hey. Watch this. Poof. And, you know, some ghost appears or something.

Kjersti Beth:

I don't know.

AP Strange:

Well, I hope

Kjersti Beth:

to study it. Yeah.

AP Strange:

But you had said acoustic, acoustic levitation.

Kjersti Beth:

Oh, yeah.

AP Strange:

Well, what's an example of that?

Kjersti Beth:

That is okay. So in addition to being a paranormal polymath, I love ancient aliens. Like, I am a huge, like, nerd for that. And that was also something I started watching during the pandemic. Mean, between aliens and ghosts, I was like, oh my god.

Kjersti Beth:

And the acoustic levitation could explain how a lot of megaliths are built. And I think there's an example in the bible when the what was it? The town of Jericho and the the wall the walls crumbled because the army walked around the walls of Jericho, like, I think it was, like, seven or eight times or something. There was some formulaic thing they had to do. And when they blew their horn, the walls started to crumble.

Kjersti Beth:

And I'm like, that's an example of, like, acoustic vibrations that can be can manipulate energy and crumble the walls. So there's, like, these stories about, like, even Easter Island, like, how they moved the Moai statues was Mhmm. Some sort of means to levitate stone. And I thought, that is really compelling. That is really fascinating.

Kjersti Beth:

Why did we forget to do that?

AP Strange:

Like, what was that? Mean, nobody can nobody can prove it, but I always really did like that idea that there's a, you know, and maybe it had something to do with the way the earth was back then. That is no longer true. Like maybe with the advent of like electronic grids around the world and, you know, radio waves and now, like, WiFi and things like that. Like, maybe that screws that up and we can't do it anymore.

Kjersti Beth:

That is such a fascinating theory. I've never thought of it that way. Yeah. Maybe there's just too much other interference going on that it's kind of suppressing whatever other powers we have. Right.

Kjersti Beth:

I don't

KJ:

know about that.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I've had my own kind of PK and Poltergeist experiences, and I've often thought it would be really helpful to be able to do it on purpose because they tend to just be messy otherwise. But, But, yeah, maybe that is something where the modern world really inhibits this stuff just because there's too much bouncing around out there.

Kjersti Beth:

Wow. I've always loved the idea of a day where we just all go dark for twenty four hours. Like, nobody turned their lights on. Like, just something like that just to experience how quiet the world would be.

AP Strange:

Right.

Kjersti Beth:

But, obviously, that's like, you can't just and generators still need to function. But just, like, if there was what would the world stand for twenty four hours of no noise? Sounds almost more terrifying to me than anything else.

AP Strange:

Oh, yeah. It would be really disquieting, I think. You know what would really blow people's minds though is seeing the night sky with no light pollution.

Kjersti Beth:

Yes. I have had the opportunity, I'm so blessed, to go I was gonna say skydiving. Good god. No. Not skydiving.

Kjersti Beth:

Sky watching in Tonopah, Nevada, which is, like, one of the top places in the world. And it's also where the Clown Motel is and the mitzvah and all these haunted places that are just terrible and fantastic. But it's the best place to sky gaze. And no joke. Like, when you're that far out in the desert, it's it's so emotional.

Kjersti Beth:

Like, it's you can't explain it. There's just millions of stars and weird lights that you don't know what they are. And it's just like, woah. Where have I been all my life? You just feel so insignificant and I welcome it.

AP Strange:

Right. Yeah. I mean, I've only ever gotten a taste of that, like in Vermont. I was up in Vermont at one point. And they're like not too far from like cities and stuff, but even just that limited amount of light pollution, it just I was like, where the hell do all these stars come?

AP Strange:

I've never seen half of these stars. The whole sky is stars.

KJ:

It's

Kjersti Beth:

so sad, you know, that we don't not a lot of people ever get to experience that.

AP Strange:

Right. And then you go to a place like New York City at night, and you wouldn't even know there are stars. Like, you can't see anything. It's just the light pollution is so bad that you you can't even see the sky.

Kjersti Beth:

But kind of equally as mesmerizing, at least with New York. In a different way. Yeah.

AP Strange:

In a different way. Yeah. Yeah. It's imposing. Yeah.

AP Strange:

So, yeah, it is wild. It's like, I I think our perceptions play a huge role in this, know, because psychically, I think there's a a kind of a charge to how we're perceiving an environment, and I think there's probably a feedback loop with the environment. So that might be part of it.

KJ:

I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

Again, it's weird science that we don't understand yet. And I Right. I think that I mean, yeah, you think about just how far we've come technologically in fifty year fifty years, in ten years. I mean, a hundred years. It's just like, wow.

Kjersti Beth:

How would you go back in time and explain this to your great grandmother, like, having a cell phone that has everything you need? You know? Like, that would be magic to them. That would be something spooky and weird. And so when you think about ghosts, it's like, well, maybe it is.

Kjersti Beth:

Maybe it's just some weird feedback loop that's like a mistake in the environment that we're just picking up on. And for generations, we've just attributed this consciousness to it and made up stories about it when in reality, it's just like a weird mirage. But at the same time, I hope that it's not. I don't I don't it's like as much as I wanna know the answer, I kinda don't wanna know the answer. You know?

AP Strange:

Yeah. Well, I feel like we all have every little theory like this turns is ends up being like a puzzle piece that ultimately doesn't really fit with the other other puzzle pieces, but we know that there's other puzzle pieces that are just missing and they would connect, you know, like

Kjersti Beth:

Beautiful metaphor. Absolutely. Like a

AP Strange:

50 piece puzzle, but we only have like a 150 pieces. I

Kjersti Beth:

really like this piece. There's something to it.

AP Strange:

Right.

Kjersti Beth:

Once it goes in the right spot, it'll all be made it'll all make sense. But Yeah. I kinda like the mystery. I like not knowing. And I I wonder if even when we do die, do we know?

Kjersti Beth:

Do we get the answers? Maybe not. Maybe we'll never know. I don't know.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Yeah. Well, part of me hopes not. You know? Like you say, I'm one of those that really enjoys the mystery.

AP Strange:

When I've written about stuff in the past and I've put it out there for people, sometimes I've gotten the question like, well, what do you think it is? I'm like, well, it didn't even occur to me to come up with a definitive

Kjersti Beth:

I know.

AP Strange:

I was like, what do you mean? What do I think it is? I think it's a mystery.

KJ:

Yeah. Exactly.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

Because as much as I love Stone Tape Theory, I I love the other essays that were written about it. I love other people's perspectives on how maybe it doesn't exist or maybe think of it this way. And it's just like, we all are just pulling for answers we don't know. And so I love the theory behind it. I nobody's wrong.

Kjersti Beth:

Nobody's right. We don't know. But that's how these things get attention so people can actually study it.

AP Strange:

Well, how do you feel about, like, ley lines? Because I think I think TC Lethbridge wrote a lot about that as well. Right?

Kjersti Beth:

He did. I'm trying to think if in this particular one that I wrote

AP Strange:

I don't know if you I can't remember if you mentioned it.

Kjersti Beth:

I read Ghost and the Divining Rod, and I don't know if it talked about ley lines, but I know Hugh Newman. He wrote a book called Earth Grids that I cited in my story in my story in my research, not my story. And he wrote a really good book that's, it's about ley lines and all the energy fields that are at those crossroads and how, isn't it interesting that all these ancient monoliths and, like, kind of ceremonious archaeological sites happen to be at these crossroads? And it's not just happenstance. It's Mhmm.

Kjersti Beth:

There's something to that. And they're they have been able to measure electromagnetic fields that are just spiking in these areas. And it's like, what's causing that? And I definitely believe there's something there's something to that, whether it's paranormal or geological. I don't know.

Kjersti Beth:

What's the difference? Yeah. The same thing. I don't know.

AP Strange:

Well, right. There's an argument to be made that and the paranormal is kind of a bad term for it because it's like, it's just a it's an extension of the normal that we just haven't figured out yet. Like you said.

KJ:

Right? Yeah. Yeah.

AP Strange:

But it certainly is a lot of fun to think about and and, I really enjoyed your paper for that. And I enjoy your perspective because it does seem like you're you're open to quite a bit of of, possible solutions.

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah. And there's more out there that I've been like, I need to look into that more. I need to look into that more. Just other weird science I've heard about that I'm like, that's peculiar, and I wanna look more into that. So it's just something that's always growing.

Kjersti Beth:

The more people that think about it and study it, the better.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Absolutely. I feel like I can be critical sometimes and I feel like a lot of other people are very critical of stuff, but, no, I I'm with you on that. I definitely feel like if somebody wants to hyper focus on one thing, they're like, hey, more power to you. Just go to it, do it.

AP Strange:

I wanna know what you know, what you come up with because it'll be valuable to at least consider at some point. So Yeah. Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

I hope more people are inspired. And hopefully as part of like these podcasts or the book, like I hope more people are inspired to look at things from a different angle is what I always like to say, where it's like, I never thought about the implications of that. And I like to think of the paranormal implications of everyday science that we're learning. It's like, what was I like like the ley lines, like that kind of stuff, where we're like, there is science and there is valid evidence that there is something going on with these lines. But what could that mean for kind of the strange side of things?

Kjersti Beth:

Like, can that be explained? Still awesome. Like balls of light. They see a lot of balls of light at these crossroads. And is that paranormal?

Kjersti Beth:

Is it alien? Or is it just weird science? Like, either way, it's awesome, and there's nothing wrong with it. I just I need people smarter than me to go study it because I don't I don't know how to you know what I mean? Like, I don't know how to do a lot of that detailed stuff.

Kjersti Beth:

But if you just need some weirdo to go sit in a basement by yourself with, like, recording equipment, like, I can do that. Like, I'm not scared to do that. So there's, like

KJ:

Or or read study later and

AP Strange:

write a paper, you know, like Yeah.

KJ:

Yeah. Yep.

Kjersti Beth:

I'm not scared.

AP Strange:

Well, mean, as a the the example with Lethbridge, the book you cited, I guess, was this divining rods thing. And, like, divining rods to a lot of people isn't paranormal at all. It's just water witching. It's just a thing that they do when they need to find a well. You know?

AP Strange:

And then they don't consider it paranormal, but, like, to

Kjersti Beth:

an outsider feelings about it. Yeah. I've seen it. I've used them, but I'm like, I don't know. It's like it's like a Ouija board.

Kjersti Beth:

It's like, am I really moving it? Like, who's what is that? What is moving that? I don't know.

AP Strange:

Right. Yeah. It's it's all yeah. Again, it's a matter of perspective. And I don't know what your threshold for weird is, I suppose.

AP Strange:

Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

I just I like to have a healthy skepticism. Everybody should. And I skepticism and I might have said this I can't remember. No. It wasn't you.

Kjersti Beth:

I'm like, who did I talk to recently? It's like, it doesn't mean I disagree. It just means, like, I need more information. Like, a skeptic isn't, by definition, someone that's like, no. No.

Kjersti Beth:

That's wrong. Like, it just means more, like, tell me more. I don't I don't have enough to form an opinion yet. But some of these things, you have to just experience them. It's really hard to do a controlled scientific study on the paranormal.

Kjersti Beth:

But when you have something happen to you like that, it's like, okay, I have no data to share, but I know what I experienced.

AP Strange:

Yeah. One question's the usefulness of the data at a certain point, because it's like, I don't know, what amount of data is going to really impress the debunking types that aren't gonna look at the data anyway, you know, they'll come up with some other reason to refute it. And, you do have those disingenuous debunkers. But as you rightly state, being skeptical doesn't necessarily mean, you know, you're out to debunk things in in that disingenuous kind of way. It just means you you it means that extraordinary claims require extraordinary

KJ:

evidence. So Mhmm. Exactly.

Kjersti Beth:

You can never seem to get it at the right time. Except that one recording. I was very proud of that. I was like, hell yeah.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Yeah. But again, to to the wrong person, that wouldn't convince them at all. Right?

KJ:

So yeah. It's like Right.

Kjersti Beth:

That's That's why I tell people, like, if you're more welcome to join me on an investigation sometime, like, if they're like, I don't believe in that or whatever. I'm like, then come with me.

AP Strange:

Right.

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah. Scared. You know? It's like, come on.

AP Strange:

On. Those are things really

Kjersti Beth:

aren't repeatable. With me. Yeah. I want to. Well, why?

Kjersti Beth:

You must believe in something.

AP Strange:

Wait. So have you done you've done sanitariums before?

Kjersti Beth:

Oh my god. So the I knew you were gonna ask me that. The first place I went to after the paranormal after the paranormal after the pan pandemic, that whole thing, was Gettysburg. The second place I went to was Waverly Sanatorium

AP Strange:

Okay.

Kjersti Beth:

Which is gigantic. It's in Kentucky. It's a 500 bed abandoned tuberculosis hospital that's very imposing and has gargoyles, and it's terrifying. So I was like, okay. Well, that sounds like a fun thing to do on spring break.

Kjersti Beth:

And I happened to know a group of paranormal investigators that were going there, like, to spend the night. Like, we got there at 6PM, and I stayed all night. And I got back on my plane at 6AM. It was insane. I was up for, like, twenty four hours.

Kjersti Beth:

Don't recommend that. But to be there at night, I thought, what's the most terrifying thing I can do? Because I don't wanna baby step my way into paranormal investigations. Just let's rip the Band Aid off. Let's just go.

Kjersti Beth:

Throw me to the wolves. So they're like, we have an extra ticket. All you have to do is pay for your flight. I'm like, I'm on my way. And it was amazing, and I would love to go back there.

Kjersti Beth:

And oddly enough, I didn't really have anything paranormal happen to me. I didn't, like, have any evidence. But that doesn't mean it wasn't an awesome experience because I I love Urbex. I love exploring abandoned places. Right.

KJ:

And just the boots on the ground. Yeah. Being

AP Strange:

there is kind of enough. Was it part of a group or, like, one of those?

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah. It was, like, a group of, like, 11. And so there's just a base rate that you would have to pay to be there for twelve hours. Because they have security and they have this thing, which is great. But you gotta pay them for their time.

Kjersti Beth:

So, like, the more that are in your group, the less you have to each individually pay.

AP Strange:

Right. Right.

Kjersti Beth:

And these guys were fine with me tagging along. So I was like, oh my god. This is great. That's awesome. I went in every single room.

Kjersti Beth:

I was taking pictures. There's creepy dolls everywhere. This place is just horrifying, and I would love to go there again.

AP Strange:

Yeah. I'm not so sure about that. I've never been super attracted to like the, like the sanatorium or hospital kind of thing because I it just I don't know that I need to be exposed to the trauma aspect of it. But

Kjersti Beth:

That's true.

AP Strange:

I I I I've been

Kjersti Beth:

to Jenhurst, and that is the saddest place I've ever felt. Like, a sad energy that was there.

AP Strange:

I'm gonna be there in a couple weeks. Because my aunt

Kjersti Beth:

Oh, really?

AP Strange:

My aunt my aunt is getting married at Pennhurst. So I'm going

Kjersti Beth:

to Oh my gosh. I love her. I didn't know you could do that. Dang.

AP Strange:

Well well, she's been part of, like, the paranormal conferences that they have there forever. So I think she probably had special connections. But, yeah. Guess I'll see it. We'll see what happens.

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah. There's definitely a different vibe, places like that too. And it's a it's a different type of well, if you're thinking stone taped theory, it's a different kind of energy. It's a sad it's a oppressive it's just a icky feeling, like you hate the human race kind of a feeling.

AP Strange:

Yeah. I mean, I think there's something about that architecture and the fact that those buildings were made of stone, like the old Kirkbride kind of, building. And then, like, the iron gates and everything, there's gotta be there's gotta be something to do with that.

Kjersti Beth:

Well and I in my paper, I I talk about how I believe we're not a body with a soul. I think we're a soul with a body. Mhmm. And so when you start to reframe your entire world as these are this is just energy. This is just see through.

Kjersti Beth:

This is not inherently solid. And it kinda it messes with your perception of then what's beyond that if we're just made of stardust.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Well, it's all just, clouds of molecules bouncing around off of each other and occasionally forming things. Yeah. Yeah. Who's to

Kjersti Beth:

say it just doesn't ricochet back off, and the experience just replays itself in the ether and then just evaporates, like

AP Strange:

Yeah. Well, tend to

Kjersti Beth:

doesn't seem implausible.

AP Strange:

I tend to think that time itself is an illusion. So it's everything's happening simultaneously anyway and every once in a while they have a breakthrough where you can see something.

Kjersti Beth:

Like multiverse? Are you kind of that route or just more like circular time? I don't

AP Strange:

yeah. I think of time as a rubber corkscrew. And sometimes it can bend and meet itself in places.

Kjersti Beth:

That's a cool metaphor. No. I never thought of it that way. I like that. I'm stealing that.

AP Strange:

Yeah. That's fine.

Kjersti Beth:

That's Interesting. Yeah. Sometimes it meets itself. Yeah. But okay.

Kjersti Beth:

Then my question is, what causes that to happen? Like, what is the mechanism that causes that to meet itself? And can that ever be managed or controlled or tapped into?

AP Strange:

Yeah. Well, I mean, that is ultimately But the the yeah. But I think there, weirdly enough, there seem to be like, my grand theory of all of this is that there seem to be commonalities where it's like, it becomes like a Gnostic interpretation of things where repeated names and symbols are what ties it all together. Like in Fortianna, have like the name game where the the same name will pop up in disparate places that all seem to be connected by something or there'll be like a common symbol or something like that. Or just synchronicities between events.

AP Strange:

I I think that's kind of like the connective tissue. That's like the neural network behind it.

Kjersti Beth:

That is brilliant. That is that's the the mushrooms underground. It's that what's that called? Mycelium network. Something yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah. It's like this it's everywhere, but you don't know that it's there.

AP Strange:

Well, actually, Star Trek explored this. The Star Trek Discovery series. Don't know if you're a Trekkie at all, but

Kjersti Beth:

Not at all.

AP Strange:

It was really kinda it was cool because it was really unlike anything that I've seen in Star Trek before, but they managed to they had some kind of warp drive that took advantage of the mycelial network throughout the galaxy, and they could hyper jump from one place to another and basically teleport, just using the connection between all these funguses across the universe. What if

Kjersti Beth:

they're right? What if that's true? What if we haven't tried that yet?

AP Strange:

Well, yeah. I don't know. Like, there's there are people that are big like fungus heads that that would probably say that's that's something you could do. I've never gotten too much into that because the psychedelic stuff gets tiresome to me.

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah. I'll yeah. I was gonna say that's another tangent we could go on too. Right. I wish I liked mushrooms.

Kjersti Beth:

Like, I can't eat them. I don't like, intellectually, I I'm fascinated by what they like, aren't we more in our aren't isn't mushroom DNA closer to humans than it is vegetables or plants or something? Like, don't we share

AP Strange:

something in our mushrooms? You know, I don't I don't know enough about it, honestly, just because Okay.

Kjersti Beth:

I'll get back to you on that.

AP Strange:

I've taken mushrooms before for fun.

Kjersti Beth:

Oh, yeah.

AP Strange:

Then when you whenever I have to hear somebody ex dole, like, some or try to try to explain how the universe is can be explained by a fungus and you know, like, I I find it tiresome. I really do. I'm like, I don't know, man. I don't know. You just sound

Kjersti Beth:

kinda That

AP Strange:

sounds like a stoner thought to me.

KJ:

Yeah. Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

True. To share.

AP Strange:

There could be something to it. That's just my own bias because I've been around probably way too many stoners in my life that were just talking nonsense.

Kjersti Beth:

That's company excluded. No.

KJ:

I'm joking.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Well, at least I know I'm talking nonsense. So Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

Oh my god. It's, like, almost 08:15. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt. I was just like I hope I'm not taking up too much of your time.

Kjersti Beth:

Oh, you're an hour ahead of me.

AP Strange:

Right. Yeah. Well, we're having fun. So I was wondering great.

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah. No. This is all good. I just losing track of time. Honestly But time isn't real.

Kjersti Beth:

So what difference does it make?

AP Strange:

Yeah. Well, that's it. Time isn't real. So it's it's it's only a construct so that we we can, we can experience reality in the moment.

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah. I I agree. It's a corkscrew.

AP Strange:

Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

Very good metaphor.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, we probably should wrap it up, but I can always have you back on.

Kjersti Beth:

Oh, yeah. I'll talk all night. I just thought, holy shit.

AP Strange:

Well, I honestly didn't remember I couldn't remember when I pressed the record button, so I don't know how long we've actually been talking, but

Kjersti Beth:

You never hit. You this none of this was recorded.

AP Strange:

Oh, yeah. I forgot. You're not even real. I'm talking to a jester

KJ:

right now. Right.

Kjersti Beth:

Little microphone just falls to the ground.

AP Strange:

And I've just been talking to your cat the whole time.

Kjersti Beth:

Might as well. He's just sitting here just tearing up his toys. Like, when are you getting off the phone?

KJ:

Yeah. But anyway.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Well, I I don't know. This has been a blast. I can I I do think I should have you back on at some point if you if

KJ:

you send me

AP Strange:

if you send me a Deanna Love Pass paper and you wanna talk about that, we can absolutely do that because I've never covered that on the show before?

Kjersti Beth:

I completely forgot that I even wrote it. Like, you know, I don't know if you've done that with your writing. I don't know. I have so many, like, half started written projects. I was like, I had a really good paper on that and I'm gonna write myself a note right now.

AP Strange:

Okay. Send

Kjersti Beth:

it to you.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Oh, no. I absolutely have written things that I come back later and I'm like, oh, yeah. This old thing, you know?

Kjersti Beth:

Yeah, was good.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Good. Right.

Kjersti Beth:

That's a good rabbit hole. We'll we should talk about that. I'll send Yeah. That to

AP Strange:

Yeah. For sure. And in the meantime, I guess you can work you'll be working on stone tape too.

Kjersti Beth:

I know. It's the hardest part is just getting started. It's just like, I know I have a lot of work to do. But I like doing the work. I like the process, but it's just that initial blank page.

Kjersti Beth:

It's just like, okay. Here we go. Yeah. The blinking I cursor am in.

AP Strange:

Yeah. The blinking cursor on the screen when you haven't typed anything is just like mocking you. Just

Kjersti Beth:

pile up. You know? The laundry doesn't get done. It's just chaos. Right.

Kjersti Beth:

But it's necessary.

AP Strange:

Yeah. Absolutely. Well, if, if my listeners wanna find you online, is that something you're open to? Or yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

Oh, sure. Put my Instagram out there. It's public.

AP Strange:

Okay. Yep. So you're Kjersti on Instagram. Right? Is it at Yeah.

Kjersti Beth:

Well, it's at the at symbol, and then it's KJEE83. Okay. G83.

AP Strange:

Okay. Alright. Perfect. Well, thanks so much for joining me tonight. This was this was a blast.

AP Strange:

Yeah. It's been a

Kjersti Beth:

long You're so easy to talk to. This is great. I anytime. Anytime you want.

AP Strange:

Okay. Wonderful.

Kjersti Beth:

And continue.

AP Strange:

Yeah. We'll talk soon.